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Bingley
uh oh.... what else do "they" know??
Dunno. They didn't have THAT many AWAD pages. I tried to work out what was going on, but there's not enough info to see if one exists. Some guy, that Capital Kiwi, eh? Wonder what he's up to now!
Well, Hogmaster Tsuwm, it seems that Hogwash® has now been preserved for posterity!
And I still like the old logo better...good to see it again...much more lively and uplifting!
Some of the links take forever to download, or even error out, but on the whole, because of the way AWADtalk is programmed, it seems you have access to the entire board in retro from the latest date by clicking through the page numbers at the bottom (and I clicked on my handle to see if the profile would come up, it only opened halfway, but I'm guessin' it will).
And it's good to see Max join us again!
We all seemed so young and innocent back then. What went wrong?
>and it's good to see Max join us again!
That guy was a total waste of space from what I can see - good riddance to bad rubbish, we don't need his sort around here, I say. The only post he made that I really like is still here anyway - just do a search for planck.
Yeah, he was a right pillock. Give him GBH of the 'ear'ole from me if you happen to come across him, sjm. BTW, what
is an sjm, and is it curable?
Actually, kinda miss the guy meownsel'!
just do a search for planck. hehehe
I also miss Max to the max, but.
>right pillock
This doesn't really belong in I&A, but the above phrase got me thinking again about the wonderful richness of Blighty's version of our tongue when it comes to insults and invective. Words like pillock seem so much more colourful and meaningful than the USn equivalents, if they exist.
And, in answer to your question, pfranz, regrettably the state of being a sjm is terminal.
the wonderful richness of Blighty's version of our tongue when it comes to insults and invective
Sounds like it could be a compliment.
Sounds like it could be a compliment.
Nah. Never happen. The insult may be veiled to the point of total obscurity, but it will be in there somewhere, I'm sure.
The insult may be veiled to the point of total obscurity
I'm just saying that to this invective deprived USn ear it doesn't sound like it need be insulting at all, just from the sound of the words. It sounds even comfortable, something you could put your feet up on and relax.
It sounds even comfortable, something you could put your feet up on and relax.Ah, Faldage!...always knew you had a poet in you!
Or, as Eugene O'Neill would say, "A Touch of the Poet".
Then I suppose that if I'm saying that someone is something that one could put one's feet up on and relax, that's not exactly a compliment to the one being referred to as a pillock, right or wrong.
The breadth and grace of your imagery sounded like a compliment to me...and pretty damn soothing!
It sounds even comfortable, something you could put your feet up on and relax.Are you calling me a poof?
That one will have sailed right over their heads, Rube...
Oh, I know what a poof is. I finally looked pillock up in my B&M OED and found, a small pill. USns have a very little-used insult pill. I never understood what *it was about either.
That one will have sailed right over their heads, Rube...
No, it was in a book I read many years ago, "Careful, he might hear you". One of the things the boy heard was the word poofter. It was set in Oz. The word poof was also used in whatever that recent movie was about the rough young British boy who was determined to take up ballet. He let his friend kiss him, but admonished that he himself was not a poof.
In reply to:
USns have a very little-used insult pill.
Sir Pelham was very fond of this word. I can't remember now if it was Madeleine Bassett or Gussie Fink-Nottle who was so described, and I don't have the works to hand.
I wonder if he picked it up in the US, or whether he introduced it over there from the UK.
Bingley
>Sir Pelham was very fond of this word.
Hmm, first hogwash, then Bacon, and now the man who gave us the Empress of Blandings - is this Bingley's psyche crying out at its long exile in the world's most populous Muslim nation?
I can't remember now if it was Madeleine Bassett or Gussie Fink-Nottle who was so described, and I don't have the works to hand.
I wonder if he picked it up in the US, or whether he introduced it over there from the UK.
If it was one of those two (I don't have the books here either) then it would have been Madeleine Bassett.
Calling someone a pill is dated now but definitely of UK origin. As you would imagine it is usually used to refer to someone whose behaviour is hard to swallow. Is it a simile or a metaphor? Neither seems quite right somehow.
However, "Jeeves in the Offing" is online, and Phyllis Mills, stepdaughter to Aubrey Upjohn is described as a pill:
'I have every right to goggle like a dead halibut,' I said coldly,
'and I shall continue to do so as long as I see fit. I am under a
considerable nervous s. As always seems to happen when you are mixed up
in the doings, life has become one damn thing after another, and I
think I am justified in demanding an explanation. I await your
statement.'
'Well, let me marshal my thoughts.'
She did so, and after a brief intermission, during which I finished
my piece of cake, proceeded.
'I'd better begin by telling you about Upjohn, because it all
started through him. You see, he's egging Phyllis on to marry Wilbert
Cream.'
'When you say egging -'
'I mean egging. And when a man like that eggs, something has to
give, especially when the girl's a pill like Phyllis, who always does
what Daddy tells her.'
'No will of her own?'
'Not a smidgeon. To give you an instance, a couple of days ago he
took her to Birmingham to see the repertory company's performance of
Chekhov's Seagull, because he thought it would be educational. I'd like
to catch anyone trying to make me see Chekhov's Seagull, but Phyllis
just bowed her head and said, "Yes, Daddy." Didn't even attempt to put
up a fight. That'll show you how much of a will of her own she's got.'http://lib.ru/INPROZ/WUDHAUS/jeeves_off_engl.txtThose of us illiterate in Cyrllic need not be put off by the first few lines of Cyrillic text, the actual work is in English.
Bingley
That's interesting, PGW's description of Phyllis as a 'pill' is used here to indicate that she has an insipid character. A less unpleasant attribute than those usually ascribed to someone who is a pill. Perhaps some drift of meaning occurred. I have found a definition that claims the usage for the US of A:
(Definition from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary):
pill (PERSON) noun [C] US
an annoying person:
Jennifer was being such a pill today.I shall give up.
I remember seeing it used in a Little Nemo comic strip from the early part of the 20th century. I could get an accurate date but I'll have to do some digging.
"A pill he is
But still he is
Mine and I'll love him
Until he is -
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered, like me."
per the available citations, the sense shift from being 'some thing that is hard to swallow' to 'a disagreeable person' seem to have occured fin de siecle in the Yale/Harvard environs. (the former figurative sense goes wayback to C16.)
From whence cometh this expression, for conversation, used by Bertie Wooster?
Could you give us an example in context, Father?
Bingley
Whence cometh "hairy Percy," as used by Bertie Wooster?
It's been a long time, and I don't recall coming across that particular phrase, but I'll hazard a guess that it was some kind of Anglicization of a French word -- "repartee" or "apercu" or such.
Maybe we should ask Jeeves?
Thanks to a PM, I now understand. When Bertie Wooster refers to "Hairy Percy", he is pronouncing his understanding of Jeeve's phrase "airy persiflage'.
Oops, sorry. For a moment there I thought I was on the "-age" thread...