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Posted By: Faldage Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 02:25 PM
esquivalience—n. the willful avoidance of one’s official responsibilities . . . late 19th cent.: perhaps from French esquiver, “dodge, slink away.”

Entry from the Oxford American Dictionary for the purpose of foiling copyright violaters. Read all about it in the August 29 issue of the New Yorker magazine:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050829ta_talk_alford

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 02:33 PM
>> Entry from the Oxford American Dictionary for the purpose of foiling copyright violaters.

Hogwash

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 02:37 PM
Methinks the NOAD defeats its own purpose; neither esquivalience nor esquivarience is now a mountweazel. For that matter, neither is mountweazel.

Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 02:58 PM
Publishers of maps do similar things. Many years ago a friend of mine who lived in Michigan at the time sent me the highway map published by the State of Michigan. Just south of the Ohio state line were two fake towns, goblu and beatosu. Steve said the inclusion of these two towns was for copyright purposes.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 09:29 PM
the oEd online has an exhaustively updated M-section -- no mountweazel, not even as a nonce-wd.

now, to wwftd-ize esquivalience without incurring the wroth of the oAd...
Posted By: inselpeter Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 10:43 PM
>>no mountweazel, not even as a nonce-wd.

But, from the referenced New Yorker Article:

"[t]he remaining three hundred and sixty words were then vetted with a battery of references. Six potential Mountweazels emerged."

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/28/05 11:10 PM
now, to wwftd-ize esquivalience without incurring the wroth of the oAd...

I do believe Faldage was *secretly hoping you'd try that.

Good to see you back, btw, Wortmeister.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/29/05 01:34 AM
>Six potential Mountweazels emerged.

if 'mountweazel' is recognized as the term for this specific publication ploy, it isn't acknowledged by OED (or W3) -- that's all I meant.
- ron (lexicographically) obvious

which begs the question <ecch>, does the OAD have an online presence??

Posted By: Jackie Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/29/05 01:44 AM
does the OAD have an online presence?? Well, yes: the ghost of Lord Mountweazel, obviously...

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/29/05 02:04 AM
>> which begs the question <ecch>, does the OAD have an online presence??

Or -- if I understand you -- as Socrates might have put it, 'is a word a word because it's in the OAD, or is it in the OAD because it's a word?'

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/29/05 06:03 PM
Just south of the Ohio state line were two fake towns, goblu and beatosu. Steve said the inclusion of these two towns was for copyright purposes.

Fake towns my eye! Why, Jackie and I met for a delicious lunch just the other day in Beatosu, Kentucky, and many of the University's most talented basketball players have hailed from tiny Goblu, KY.

/well not really, but we do have funny-sounding town names 'round these parts.

Posted By: nancyk Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 08/29/05 06:20 PM
the highway map published by the State of Michigan. Just south of the Ohio state line were two fake towns, goblu and beatosu.

TEd, are you sure the map wasn't published by the University of Michigan?

Posted By: TEd Remington MI map with goblu and beatosu - 08/29/05 08:24 PM
Yup. It was available at tourist info centers in Michigan (and still may be for all I know). I expect I have a copy of it around somewhere; I keep the STRANGEST things, like a map of the zoo in either Melbourne or Sydney, can't remember which now, but it was a great zoo. Sigh. Someday I'll go back. I definitely want to see the capitol building in Canberra which was under construction in 86 when I was there. It had the earmarks of being one fascinating building.

I've always been fascinated by maps and I have to restrain myself when visiting downtown Asheville to keep from spending gobs of money at the antique map store there.

I even have the mapbook from when I did Ride the Rockies back in 1989.

Posted By: Jackie Re: MI map with goblu and beatosu - 08/30/05 02:50 PM
What's the word for 'map-lover'?

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: map-lover - 08/30/05 03:08 PM
If it isn't cartophile, it sure oughtta be.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: map-lover - 08/30/05 03:22 PM
>oughtta be

yeah. but a Cartophilist is (ostensibly) a Collector of cigarette cards etc. [begging the question <ecch>: what's a cigarette card then?]

http://www.crosswordclub.org/ACCsite Site/Word Lists/Collectors.html

Posted By: tsuwm Re: cartophily - 08/30/05 03:26 PM
The pursuit of collecting, arranging, and studying cigarette-cards and similar items. So cartophilist, a person devoted to cartophily; cartophilic a.

1936 C. L. BAGNALL in Cigarette Card News Apr. 87, 30,000 people in the British Isles..collect cigarette cards... I have coined a new word for my clients and call them cartophilists. 1936 Morning Post 11 Aug. 12/6 There is a magazine entirely devoted to ‘cartophily’... For every one serious ‘cartophilist’ in 1930 there are 25 now. 1937 Cigarette Card News Apr. 120 In a mansion..the new cartophilic headquarters is to be found.


still leaving unanswered: what's a cigarette card then?

Posted By: inselpeter Cicards - 08/30/05 03:42 PM
http://www.franklyncards.com/one/cighist.htm
http://images.google.com/images?q=Cigarette Card&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi

Posted By: tsuwm chartophile - 08/30/05 03:48 PM
thanks, ip.

meanwhile, back at the ranch:
chartophile, chartophilist: One who collects maps.
http://snipurl.com/hbhx

cf. chartographer/cartographer
Posted By: inselpeter Re: chartophile - 08/30/05 04:50 PM
"Castanophilist"?!

Posted By: Jackie Re: Castanophilist - 08/31/05 01:44 AM
What anyone who is preparing to move becomes.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Castanophilist - 08/31/05 01:51 AM
>>preparing to move

Like "castin' off"? Ha!

No, but they should be.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: tik-a-tik-a-tik - 08/31/05 09:40 AM
well, I've heard of castanets being called "little black beetle(s)", but "horse chestnuts?"

canasta, anyone?

Posted By: tsuwm Re: castano- - 08/31/05 02:05 PM
chestnut : Etymology: earlier chesten nut, from Middle English chesten, chesteine, chasteine, from Middle French chastaigne, from Latin castanea, from Greek kastanea, kastanon
- M-W Unabridged (W3 online)

as to why they're noticeably collected...

Posted By: wofahulicodoc cartophily in Modern-day Germany - 09/01/05 01:49 AM
CARTOPHILY - The pursuit of collecting, arranging, and studying cigarette-cards and similar items. So cartophilist, a person devoted to cartophily; cartophilic a.

1936 C. L. BAGNALL in Cigarette Card News Apr. 87, 30,000 people in the British Isles..collect cigarette cards... I have coined a new word for my clients and call them cartophilists. 1936 Morning Post 11 Aug. 12/6 There is a magazine entirely devoted to ‘cartophily’... For every one serious ‘cartophilist’ in 1930 there are 25 now. 1937 Cigarette Card News Apr. 120 In a mansion..the new cartophilic headquarters is to be found.


A completely fabricated definition. As wsieber and others can attest, the word means "a person who collects potatoes"


CARTOPHILY - The pursuit of ...

Duplicate post; deleted.

Sorry.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: cartophily in Modern-day Germany - 09/01/05 03:47 AM
Wouldn't it rather be "one who loves potatoes"?

Posted By: Faldage Re: cartophily in Modern-day Germany - 09/01/05 09:48 AM
Naw. It's an adverb and it means "doing things in a potatoly manner."

Posted By: inselpeter Re: cartophily in Modern-day Germany - 09/01/05 11:06 AM
It is a racehorse that looks like a sack of potatos, or that is untamed and runs all over the map.

Posted By: belMarduk Re: esquivalience - 09/01/05 12:05 PM
**Sputter, hack, hack, cough, choke** Grrrr, this makes me angry. I'm just getting to this thread and the initial post just knocks my socks off.

I can't believe they do this. People use these books as references because they want to confirm a definition/spelling or they're looking to learn.

If they pitch in a fake word, how are we supposed to know that. I'd have believed it, and cited the dictionary if anybody argued.

If your source is not secure, how are you supposed to believe what they say? How do you know that somebody didn't muck around with other words? How do you know that they did their jobs properly and made sure the rest of the document was correct.

Garrghhh...walking away in frustration *)%##%!!

Posted By: inselpeter Re: esquivalience - 09/01/05 05:18 PM
Bel,

They must figure that since the word doesn't exist, you won't be looking it up -- on the other hand, if someone challenges you when you use it, why, it's right there in the dictionary!

Posted By: Zed Re: esquivalience - 09/01/05 11:01 PM
Besides, it's too long for scrabble.

Posted By: belMarduk Re: esquivalience - 09/01/05 11:15 PM
Ya, but some of us flip through the dictionary just for the fun of it.

*sigh*

Posted By: Jackie Re: esquivalience - 09/02/05 01:18 AM
People use these books as references because they want to confirm a definition/spelling or they're looking to learn.
bel, this is the exact reason I've given up Wikipedia. I was SO mad when I found out it's not necessarily reliable.


Posted By: inselpeter Re: esquivalience - 09/02/05 02:23 AM
>>People use these books as references because they want to confirm a definition/spelling or they're looking to learn.

bel, this is the exact reason I've given up Wikipedia. I was SO mad when I found out it's not necessarily reliable.<<

Hold on a minute. Do you think the inclusion of a single carefully constructed mountweazel might not just indicate a high degree of professionalism and care? Might not copyright protection serve to ensure the integrity of the material? The only real harm would be to emerge with parched throat from the desert to find the well on the map was not on the ground.

Posted By: belMarduk Re: esquivalience - 09/02/05 06:10 PM
>>Hold on a minute. Do you think the inclusion of a single carefully constructed mountweazel might not just indicate a high degree of professionalism and care?

NO. It implies a selfish disregard for the user of their product. Let's protect ourselves at the expense of our reader, who turns to us for the facts.

>>Might not copyright protection serve to ensure the integrity of the material?

No. A document doesn't have integrity when it is not accurate. Making sure people don't copy you doesn't make you exact, or more reliable, it just makes you un-copy-able.

Say they didn't have "esquivalience" in the dictionary, would that make them less accurate, or more accurate? It would definitely be more accurate.

And if somebody copied them because they didn't have esquivalience, would that diminish their acuracy? No it wouldn't, not one whit.

The copier is not my concern. A cheater is a cheater and I have no truck with that. I turn to a dictionary because I believe what they tell us has merit and is exact.

If you take the trouble to use the OED, you expect it to be reliable - it's not Billy-Bob's dikshinary of werds for heaven's sake.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: esquivalience - 09/02/05 06:31 PM
>>it's not Billy-Bob's dikshinary of werds for heaven's sake<<

Exactly right. And it's only by exercising some control over reproduction that it won't move in the direction of becoming that. Or such might also be their thinking. You do have a point about disregard of the user, although I think the term, in the case of the dictionary, at least, is a bit way too strong; but that doesn't argue that they were being careless. I doubt users will be staying away in droves.

Posted By: belMarduk Re: esquivalience - 09/03/05 01:04 AM
>>>And it's only by exercising some control over reproduction that it won't move in the direction of becoming that.

I really don't understand that Insel. How does making sure nobody copies them ensure that they don't fall into mediocrity? As long as they stick to rigorous standards of exactitude and fact, everybody and his brother could copy them and it doesn’t diminish their quality in the least.

If they add fake words willy-nilly, even the one, they are specifically responsible for diminishing the veracity of the work.


Posted By: inselpeter Re: esquivalience - 09/03/05 03:35 AM
>> How does making sure nobody copies them ensure that they don't fall into mediocrity? <<

The same way that The Gutenberg Project (http://gutenberg.org) has a downside. While it is responsible for the wide distribution of lots of good books, it will also be responsible for the distribution of lots of errata.* The upside of copyright, in this respect, is its literally conservative effect. I think the question is what the publishers actually hope to accomplish with these mountweazel--and how well these serve to prevent what sorts of infringements and protect reference materials generally. I don't know the answers, so I don't know whether your objection is well founded or not. I admit, though, that I was also disturbed by the disclosure. This is just how I reconciled myself to it.

*similar to the "Wikipedia 'problem'"

Posted By: moss Re: esquivalience - 09/03/05 04:44 AM
I doubt users will be staying away in droves.

Users may not be staying away in droves, Inselpeter, but the rest of us are sorely tempted.

Believe me!



Posted By: robert holland Re: esquivalience - 09/03/05 11:20 AM
"moss" is a sock puppet (pseudonym) for an individual who has been banned by management from this site. Apparently, he has taken the trouble to find another computer from which to post. He uses other pseudonyms as well, including "plutarch" "carpathian" and several more. Apparently, he has seen fit to find another computer from which to post. It is generally believed that it is his intention to destroy this board.

Posted By: TEd Remington Back to maps - 09/13/05 12:17 AM
And some people flip through maps just for the fun of it. Try this site:

http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gtg377a/delorme.html

Posted By: Bingley Re: Back to maps - 09/13/05 06:32 AM
Notice the Kentucky entry:
Kentucky: Page 70, Grid E6, Just south of Daniel Boone Parkway: A coonskin cap
Discoverer unknown (confirmed with first edition of atlas by Pete Jenior)
Posted on misc.transport.road in spring 2001


Was the cap made from a coon killed by a Coonhunter for Christ? I think our girl on the spot should investigate.

Bingley
Posted By: Elizabeth Creith Re: Back to maps - 09/13/05 10:10 AM
Shouldn't that be "our girl on the ground"?

Posted By: Jackie Re: Back to maps - 09/13/05 04:21 PM
Elizabeth, you are a wicked, wicked woman!
As to the other: I've not gone to that website, but fake coonskins hats are common at tourist traps here in Kentucky, and the real thing can be found, too.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 09/16/05 02:40 AM
someone posted a Wikipedia stub for esquivalience:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquivalience

it was then nominated for deletion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Esquivalience

"The result of the discussion was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP."

there's a link to the "discussion" at the 2nd link -- your democratic encyclopaedia at work.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 09/16/05 03:49 AM
The word is defined to mean: "the willful avoidance of one's official responsibilities." -- Wiki

Which is really pretty funny, now that I think about it.

Edit: Do you say a coinage is nihilartikel if it is meant *not* to be easily identifiable? I think they're mistaken.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/12/09 08:03 PM
I'm bubbling up this thread 'cuz I'm doing a little research on ghost words and discovered abacot, which also relates to esquivalience.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/12/09 09:29 PM
If what you say is true, the word is accepted in Du. as a real word:

Abacot,. een hoofdsiersel der oude koningen van Engeland, van boven als eene dubbele kroon zamengesteld. A baculo ad angulum, ...
link

This one: Don't know if it is Polish or what East-EU language,
abacot

Under the images with the hats the last word is abacot. Does not seem all that ghosty.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/12/09 09:46 PM
what Quinion says is that the original word was bycoket,
quoating OED2 here:
a spurious word found in many dictionaries, originating in a misprint of BYCOKET

of which,
Also 5-6 byekoket, bycokett, bicokett; also erron. 6 abococket, -ed, abococke, 7 abacoc, 7-9 abacot. [a. OF. bicoquet, bicocquet, biquoquet, cap, casque, head-dress, ‘capuce, casaque à capuchon; habituellement, coiffure militaire; quelquefois parure de femme, chaperon’ (Godef.); dim. of F. bicoque = It. bicocca little castle on a hill, Sp. bicoca a lookout; probably the original meaning, as in the diminutives and derivatives, was some kind of cap, whence transf. to a structure, topping or ‘crowning’ a height. App. f. bi- twice + cocca as in cocca del capo ‘crown of the head’ (Florio). Cf. also Sp. bicoquin a cap with two peaks, bicoquete a peasant's cap, Piedm. bicochin a priest's cap (Diez).]

Through a remarkable series of blunders and ignorant reproductions of error, this word appears in modern dictionaries as ABACOT. In Hall's Chron. a bicocket appears to have been misprinted abococket, which was copied by Grafton, altered by Holinshed to abococke, and finally ‘improved’ by Abraham Fleming to abacot (perhaps through an intermediate abacoc); hence it was again copied by Baker, inserted in his Glossarium by Spelman, and thence copied by Phillips, and so handed down through Bailey, Ash, Todd, etc., to 19th century dictionaries (some of which provide a picture of the ‘abacot’), and even inserted in dictionaries of English and foreign languages. [EA]

your picture seems to be a crown, which this thing cap doesn't seem to be except for the 'crown of the head' part. OED does contain this note, which I don't find to be very helpful: (The two crowns [? of England and France] with which the bycoket of Henry VI was ‘garnished’ or ‘embroidered’, were, of course, no part of the ordinary bycoket.)

edit: here's an illlustration: link
Posted By: Faldage Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/12/09 10:53 PM
So if it doesn't exist what's it doing there in World Wide Words?
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/12/09 11:07 PM
it exists it just ain't real.
Posted By: twosleepy Re: tik-a-tik-a-tik - 03/13/09 12:01 AM
Originally Posted By: etaoin
well, I've heard of castanets being called "little black beetle(s)", but "horse chestnuts?"<br><br>canasta, anyone?<br><br>


This is "Horse Chess-nut":


Here's more info, if interested: Horse Chess-nut

This was a city-wide "Horses on Parade" project in 2001.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 02:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Faldage
So if it doesn't exist what's it doing there in World Wide Words?

Originally Posted By: etaoin
it exists it just ain't real.


irrational, innit? grin
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 07:36 AM
Originally Posted By: etaoin
it exists it just ain't real.
Oh see, the true philosopher! Ha!
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 07:57 AM
Quote:
[=stuwm]your picture seems to be a crown, which this thing cap doesn't seem to be except for the 'crown of the head' part. OED does contain this note, which I don't find to be very helpful: (The two crowns [? of England and France] with which the bycoket of Henry VI was ‘garnished’ or ‘embroidered’, were, of course, no part of the ordinary bycoket.)
edit: here's an illlustration: link
Yeh, it quite a silly King's bonnet but the word did exist in all its nonexistingness in that tekraszjne language.
Nice costume site!(link)
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 08:04 AM
>the word did exist in all its nonexistingness in that tekraszjne language.

apparently you didn't note the bolded [EA] text in my purple prose. <sigh>
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 08:35 AM
I was blinded by the color purple of the prose. Sigh no more, I've seen it NOW
Posted By: Faldage Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 10:27 AM
Originally Posted By: tsuwm
Originally Posted By: Faldage
So if it doesn't exist what's it doing there in World Wide Words?

Originally Posted By: etaoin
it exists it just ain't real.


irrational, innit? grin


He didn't say it wasn't real; he said it didn't exist.

Originally Posted By: Quinion
This word is said not to exist.


Oh, OK. He said it was "said not to exist." He still didn't say it wasn't real.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/13/09 12:39 PM
well, I did.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: when that April - 03/13/09 12:57 PM
esquivalience

So, this trap word is different from abacot, dord, and epicaricacy. Abacot started out as a misspelled bycoket. (I did enjoy how one of the lexicographers, Nathan Bailey, is involved with both abacot and epicaricacy.) While dord was an unintentional mistake, esquivalience was an intentional one for copyright purposes. Other links provided me with quick, fun reads of Jakob Maria Mierscheid (cf. Ern Malley and Ossian), honeytoken, fictitious entry (nihilartikel, Mountweazel), canary trap, and ludibrium. (Thanks for that Ron O.)
Posted By: Jackie Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/20/09 01:42 AM
biquoquet, cap Bucket hat? wink
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/20/09 09:21 AM
Wouldn't you rather chique it up to Bouquet hat? wink
Posted By: Jackie Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 03:19 AM
Bucket hat:
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 04:08 AM
hey! I lost that hat in the Mississippi a few years back!
- joe btfsplk
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 08:52 AM
Cool! And airy.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 10:20 AM
and if you're boating/canoeing, just dip it over the side to really cool off - just keep a good grip on it!
-joe btfsplk
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 11:43 AM
always good advice.

;¬ )
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 01:32 PM
Specially so as there are 4 holes in the bucket.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 05:14 PM
Originally Posted By: etaoin
always good advice.

;¬ )


the hat, eta, the hat!
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 05:50 PM
;¬ )
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/21/09 05:57 PM
heh

(nice smiley, Bran!)
Posted By: BranShea Re: Wilfully created ghost word - 03/22/09 10:46 PM
I know, I know it's copyrighted. (sorry)
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