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Posted By: Jackie Words from our times - 07/12/03 11:38 PM
I had the television on a little while ago, and while surfing for something that seemed suitable to have on as background while I worked, I came across the Osbourne family show. The brother and sister were having a fight. Later, in telling their parents about it, the boy said, "She came down here and confrontated me". When he addressed his sister, he said, "When you confrontate me..."
Is this becoming common?

I meant to post this link a few days ago, when this article was in our paper. It's about words being added to and dropped from dictionaries. Well, one, anyway.
http://www.courier-journal.com/features/columns/popculture/2003/20030708pop.html

Posted By: maverick Re: Words from our times - 07/13/03 12:12 AM
Is this becoming common?

I suspect not, but it's doubtless legitimitated from usage such as disorientated... <eg>

Posted By: Jackie Re: Words from our times - 07/13/03 01:42 AM
maverick uh, c'mere a minute...I have something for you.

Posted By: wow Re: Words from our times - 07/13/03 01:14 PM
"The Osbournes" is in English? Mercy!
Amazing.


Posted By: Zed Re: Words from our times - 07/16/03 11:44 PM
More Saxon than English I'm afraid.
I was quite put out to learn that orientate (and therefore probably disorientate) are correct and separate from orient (and disorient?)
Ha, my spellcheck offers disown for disorientate - which I'd like to.

Posted By: maverick Re: Words from our times - 07/17/03 12:20 PM
disown for disorientate - which I'd like to

oh, but methinks our Jackie would be loth to see that go, forsooth!

Posted By: Jackie Re: Words from our times - 07/17/03 04:56 PM
Keep it up and I'll forsooth you, sir! [trying to hide twitching lips e]

Posted By: dodyskin Re: Words from our times - 07/19/03 10:18 AM
What's wrong with disorientated? Perfectly normal word I would have thought, no?

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Words from our times - 07/19/03 01:56 PM
What's wrong with disorientated?

oog. just one of those words that sounds like it has extra, unnecessary syllables...

or did I just get hit with a faceful of irony, and missed it? [blergh]

Posted By: Jackie Re: Words from our times - 07/19/03 06:52 PM
Perfectly normal word I would have thought, no? AUGH! No, no, no! People get oriented or disoriented--that extra "ate" syllable does not belong! [gnashing of teeth e] That's even worse than preventative.


Posted By: musick The sliding floor... - 07/19/03 08:37 PM
That's even worse than *preventative.

Is that because you're 'used to' *it?

Posted By: Jackie Re: The sliding floor... - 07/20/03 02:40 AM
Probably!

Posted By: maverick Re: she jest' ates it... - 07/20/03 09:30 PM
One times ate and poor Jackie's ready to leave the table!

Posted By: Faldage Re: Words from our times - 07/20/03 09:42 PM
Say what you will about orientate; it has always been a verb. Orient is a verbed noun.

Posted By: Zed Re: Words from our times - 07/21/03 07:09 PM
it has always been a verb
Exactly. I just always thought it was a modern abomination. (still sounds annoying though)

Posted By: Faldage Re: Words from our times - 07/21/03 07:34 PM
a modern abomination

An early modern abomination is more like it. If memory serves it dates back to about 1645. Orient as a verb dates to about ten years earlier. Again, if memory serves.

Posted By: of troy Re: Words from our times - 07/21/03 08:13 PM
re: If memory serves it dates back to about 1645. Orient as a verb dates to about ten years earlier. Again, if memory serves.

Gee you are an old coot faldage! but you wear your age well, i woodna guess'd you to be much more than 55 or 60.. but if you remember 1600's, well, hell, i am impressed!
what's the your secret to longevity? i hope you share it at lest with your lovely wife!

Posted By: maverick Re: long memory and - 07/21/03 09:11 PM
longevity? i hope you share it at lest with your lovely wife!

Geez Loiuse, ain't dat gettin a bit poisonal?

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Words from your times - 07/22/03 02:22 AM
dates back to about 1645.

so, somebody couldn't talk back then, either?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Words from your times - 07/22/03 09:58 AM
Memory didn't serve. That was some other word that has two versions, one thoroughly dissed by the prescrips.



Posted By: maahey Re: Words from your times - 07/24/03 05:16 PM
other word that has two versions

Orient/Orientate and/or, Preventive/Preventative, reminds me of two other such words whose usage has at times, confused and annoyed.

1. Legitimate (as verb) versus Legitimise
2. Disputation versus Dispute (as noun)
Edit:
3. Regnant versus Reigning (as adj.)

Can these words be loosely swapped, one for the other or are they situation specific?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Words from your times - 07/24/03 05:54 PM
I now think that memory had been mispointed from alterate, the evil twin of alter.

It wasn't alterate, either. Alter's evil twin dates to 1475 (alter is from a hundred years earlier, 1374)
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