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Posted By: Jackie Learn something every day - 02/02/03 07:01 PM
I received a message in which the writer used the word Aryan in a way that puzzled me, because I had only thought of it in terms of the 4th. def. given by Atomica:
Ar·y·an (âr'ē-ən, ăr'-)
n.
1. Indo-Iranian. No longer in technical use.
2. A member of the people who spoke the parent language of the Indo-European languages. No longer in technical use.
3. A member of any people speaking an Indo-European language. No longer in technical use.
4. In Nazism and neo-Nazism, a non-Jewish Caucasian, especially one of Nordic type, supposed to be part of a master race.
[From Sanskrit ārya-, noble, Aryan.]


I may be the only one who was ignorant of what they had following the definitions, but I found it enlightening. Ar'y·an adj.
WORD HISTORY It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya– or *ārya–. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian Ērān (šahr), “(Land) of the Iranians,” from the genitive plural of Ēr, “Iranian”). The variant *ārya– is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, “honor,” and older Germanic names containing the element ario–, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya– had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like “the honorable people.” (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus “Aryan” came to be synonymous with “Indo-European,” and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the “true Aryan” Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.


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Aryan [Sanskrit,=noble], term formerly used to designate the Indo-European race or language family or its Indo-Iranian subgroup. Originally a group of nomadic tribes, the Aryans were part of a great migratory movement that spread in successive waves from S Russia and Turkistan during the 2d millennium B.C. Throughout Mesopotamia and Asia Minor, literate urban centers fell to their warrior bands. Archaeological evidence corroborates the text of the Veda by placing the invasion of India by the Aryans at c. 1500 B.C. They colonized the Punjab region of NW India and absorbed much of the indigenous culture. The resulting Indo-Aryan period saw the flourishing of a pastoral-agricultural economy that utilized bronze objects and horse-drawn chariots. Before the discovery of the Indus valley sites in the 1920s, Hindu culture had been attributed solely to the Aryan invaders. The idealization of conquest pictured in the Vedic hymns was incorporated into Nazi racist literature, in which German descent was supposedly traced back to Aryan forebears.


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Posted By: vika Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 12:13 PM
well, Nazi not only killed millions of people, they've killed a word too and cast a shadow on Vagner and Niecshe as Gitler's favorite composer and phylosopher

but as far as I remember we were though in school about the migration of Arians from India and that they've been ancestors of the most of European nations.


Posted By: Faldage Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 01:46 PM
they've killed a word too

Not to mention a beautiful and universal religious symbol. The swastika was a symbol representing many positive images to Native Americans, ancient Greeks, Western European peoples, Indians and Chinese until the Nazis desecrated it.

Posted By: Jackie Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 01:56 PM
The swastika was a symbol representing many positive images to Native Americans, ancient Greeks, Western European peoples, Indians and Chinese
Wow, I didn't know that, either. I wonder if it will still hold horror for people who see it say, two centuries from now.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 02:07 PM
I won't post any links here but you could google swastika and find numerous sites right up front discussing the history of the symbol and its meaning to the many peoples who have used it. The Navajo still use it in jewelry designs but only in the orientation opposite to that used by the Nazis. Previous to WWII they had used it in both clockwise and counterclockwise versions.

Posted By: vika Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 02:12 PM
AFAIK, the "original" Arian swastika was a clockwise - something to do with the direction of movement of Sun in the sky

Posted By: TEd Remington The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/06/03 02:43 PM
Affectation of Aryan nations

Posted By: maahey Re: The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/06/03 05:30 PM
I must disagree TEd.

There is nothing like an Aryan nation. There never has been in history even. The Third Reich interpretation was one put out by a bunch of impostors and poseurs. AS such, there cannot be affectations. The Swastika as used by the Nazis was an affectation, yes, but then, they were clearly impostors who were neither Aryans nor did they have a cultural legacy of the Swasitka.

Both the words Aryan and Swastikam are from Sanskrit.

Arya (pronounced, not as Aaryaaa, but as R-YUH), is a respectful way of addressing a gentleman.

Swastikam (SWUH-STHEE-KUHM), drives from Su (SUE) which means a general feeling of well-being, prosperity and goodness and Asthi (US-THEE), which means 'let it be'. Kam is a suffix indicating an object or a noun. Swasthikam therefore means, 'let general prosperity, and well-being prevail'. It is therefore, a symbolic representation of such a blessing. In Hinduism and some of its offshoot religions like Jainism and Buddhism, the Swasthikam is a very auspicious symbol and is used everywhere in India to signify just that. To this day, before the commencement of anything, from exams to enterprise, the swasthikam is drawn on the ground or some other surface, with an erasable red coloured powder and a small prayer is made to invoke blessings and good luck.

Till the Nazi misinterpretation, this symbol evoked images and feelings of nothing but auspiciousness and prosperity in all the cultures that used it. Never in the history of this symbol, has it ever been used as a sign of superemacy or racial authority.
Though the origin of this word is Sanskrit and Indian thereof, the same symbol is seen in other cultures, like Faldage mentioned, the Navajo Indians, Chinese, the Greeks, the Mayans, etc. The Chinese call it Wan, and I have seen in the walls of a Chinese temple in Kuching.

DDespite the Sanskrit derivation of the word Swastika, the origin of the symbol itself is contentious. Is it Aryan or Pre-Aryan (Indus Valley Harappan)? The time period given for the Swasthikam is 3000-1500 B.C., which period involves the overlap of both groups in its latter half.

The Nazi version had the Swastika at a salnt or an angle, whereas the traditional Swasthikam is always flat; can be right or left handed though.


Posted By: Faldage Re: The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/06/03 05:37 PM
I must disagree TEd.

It was one of TEd's, umm, puns.

Posted By: maahey Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 05:39 PM
Incidentally, the Star of David also has a Hindu parallel. Its called the Shatkonam in Sanskrit (SHUT-KO-NNUM). The pictorial diagram of the two is the same. Shatkonam means a star pointing in six directions. It is again, a symbol of prosperity and is drawn with rice flour, by the hand in front of many houses in Southern India, to invoke good fortune and peace.
I am unaware of any common origin or connection; shall post if I find anything.

Posted By: maahey Re: The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/06/03 05:45 PM
It was one of TEd's, umm, puns.

Was I being industrious in my defence of the beleaguered Swastika?

Posted By: Faldage Re: The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/06/03 05:50 PM
industrious in my defense

Attually® I was quite appreciative of your information regarding the swastika.

Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 06:36 PM


I have an off color story of a former, Persian friend of mine. He said "We used to be the same color as you, even fairer even and then those ******* ARABS came and ****** all our ******* WOMEN and NOW look at me (pointing at his arm) ... JUST *LOOK* AT ME!"

He was kinduva weird guy, though.

k


Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: Learn something every day - 02/06/03 06:58 PM
Jackie, there's an emoticon on the Japanese site that uses swastikas, and the webmaster explains the symbol is of benign, celebratory connotation there. Take a look.

Posted By: TEd Remington It was one of TEd's, umm, puns. - 02/06/03 07:29 PM
,umm,? ,umm,? I don't recognize it, but if you umm a few bars.

There's something wrong with your keyboard, Fal. Every time you type a y a comma comes out at the other end.



James Churchward speaks of the swastika type symbol formed by four hornlike shapes (Tablet 1231) in terms of the Origin of Forces, which, he states, has always been a mooted question among scientists. A writer of the earth's First Great Civilization tells us about their origin, and the manner and direction of their workings. James Churchward writes,"Especially it shows us the curvatures apparent throughout the Universe, which are causing so much controversy among scientists today." (the book was published in 1960)

"How long ago this was written," James Churchward states, "I cannot say: but certainly more than 12,000 years ago."

illustration Tablet 1231: http://www.greatdreams.com/mu.gif



Swastika Chinese called it, "WAN" Zi, Japanese named it "MAN" Ji, Tibetan read it as "GYUNG-DRUNG" or GEG-GSANG. The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit means, "conducive to well- being". S-vasti in Sanskrit is "It's well"

Swastika is a symbol of prosperity and good fortune and is widely dispersed in both the ancient and modern world. It originally represented the revolving sun, fire, or life. The swastika was widely utilized in ancient Mesopotamian coinage as well as appearing in early Christian and Byzantium art, where it was known as the gammadion cross. The swastika also appeared in South and Central America, widely used in Mayan art during that time period.

Swastika is an equilateral cross with arms bent at right angles, all in the same direction, usually the right, or clockwise. In North America, the swastika was a symbol used by the Navajos. The swastika still continues today to be an extensively used sign in Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism.

In Buddhism, a Swastika represents resignation. Usually found in the images of Buddha on His chest, palms, soles of feet. In Jainism, it delineates their seventh saint, and the four arms are also used to remind the worshiper of the four possible places of rebirth; the animal or plant world, in Hell, on Earth, or in the spirit world. To Hindus, the swastika with the arms bent to the left is called the sathio or sauvastika, which symbolizes night, magic, purity, and the destructive goddess Kali.

In both Hinduism and Jainism, the Swastika or sathio is used to mark the opening pages or their account books, thresholds, doors, and offerings. The swastika was a symbol for the Aryan people, a name which, in Sanskrit means "noble". The Aryans were a group of people who settled in Iran and Northern India. They believed themselves to be a pure race, superior to the other surrounding cultures.

Historical Use of the Swastika
Was Atlantis the birthplace of the Swastika? Or The fabled motherland called Mu? Found on the genital shields of aboriginal Brazilian women. Greek priestesses branded Swastikas on their arms. Goddess figures dug up at ancient Troy by Dr. Schliemann have Swastikas on the vulva. Romans took the Swastika with them on their march across Europe. Most antiquarians agree that Egyptians had no Swastika except those taken there by Coptic Christians.


As An Eastern Cultural Symbol
A magical sign tattooed on women to ensure fertility. Gold weights from West Africa. A favorite ornament in China and Japan. Ninja throwing stars. Tattooed on monks in Tibet. The Dalai Lama's throne is always decorated with four Swastikas. In India people mark their cows, fields, homes, shrines with the Swastika, a sign of good luck and fertility. When the last czar of Russia was imprisoned with his family in 1917, the Romanoff girls embroidered lucky swastikas on fabric before their deaths by the Bolsheviks.


As a Mystical Symbol
Hindu uses. Sacred Fire. Ganesha. Every holy spot is marked with a Swastika. Sacred Heart of Buddha. Buddha's footprints marked with Swastikas. The Jains, who believe in non-violence, make the sign of the Swastika as often as Catholics make the sign of the cross. In Bali, Shiva's lingam (penis) is a Swastika. Christian symbol from the catacombs. Gnostic graffiti includes Swastikas and Stars of David side by side. Occult Swastikas include Theosophists, Rosicrucians, Masons, Golden Dawn, Transcendental Meditation, Pythagorus, Madame Blavatsky, Krishnamurti, Rudolf Steiner, William Butler Yeats. Aliester Crowley claimed Hitler stole the Swastika from him.

As An Archetypal Symbol

The Swavastika or backwards Swastika. Types of Swastikas. Various names for the Swastika-- Hakenkreuz, Gammadion, Fylfot, Tetraskelion, Meander. Amulets, talismans and hex signs.


[boldface mine...ancient, indeed!]

Complete page here, "Swastika: The Ancient Symbol":

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~sidneys/Swastika.htm



Posted By: Bingley Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 06:36 AM
In Singapore there is not only the Red Cross, but the Red Crescent for Muslims, and the Red Swastika for Chinese medicine (acupuncture and herbal treatments mainly).

Bingley
Posted By: sjm Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 06:48 AM
The first definition you listed is the only one I use. I tend to use it a lot in describing people from the subcontinent - Aryans are noticeably different from Dravidians.

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 01:20 PM
When I lived briefly in Japan I attended a very few karate classes. The members of that particular dojo wore a swastika patch on their robes, and at first I was horrified. They explained that it was a symbol that predated the Nazis, but it continued to kind of freak me out a little.



Posted By: boronia Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 02:32 PM
There's a small town in northern Ontario by the name of Swastika. I'll see if my parents know anything about its history.

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 05:09 PM
The town of Swastika... they've got to work that into an episode of South Park somehow. http://www.southparkhell.co.uk/lyrics/bc.html (slightly not for the faint of heart)

Posted By: Faldage Re: Learn something every day - 02/07/03 05:26 PM
There was a baseball team in, I think, the '30s in the Plains states somewhere had a swastika on their cap.

Posted By: dxb Re: The swastika -- grounds for a lawsuit - 02/10/03 02:20 PM
WON writes: The swastika was widely utilized in ancient Mesopotamian coinage

I bought an ornament in Turkey that incorporated a swastika and on enquiring was told this was a Hittite symbol. Just to note that the Hittites controlled Mesopotamia during the 2nd millenium BC. An old symbol indeed.

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