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Posted By: paulb Wordmap - 04/29/02 12:38 PM
Here's an Aussie wordsite with a difference:

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/

Enjoy the lucky dip!

Posted By: Sparteye Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 04:14 PM
My lucky dip was:

map book

street directory: can I borrow your map book?


which was kinda boring, so I double-dipped:

TACO

A bronze coloured Toyota Corolla.The name comes from the last two letters of the first word and the first two letters of the last word. toyoTA COrolla.It helps that the bronze colour makes you think of mexican food.: Let's take the TACO. How's the TACO going.


A slang term for a bronze-colored Toyota Corolla? Now, what circumstances would give rise to the need for a term that specific?





Posted By: Wordwind Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 05:09 PM
From the Word Dip, too...

spinner

dill, fool: He's a bit of a spinner

Southeastern Australia, right up from New Zealand looked like the location of spinner--oh, and I guess spinners in general.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 04/29/02 10:46 PM
Posted By: Wordwind Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 10:51 PM
Thanks, Max. Tasmania it is. Whaddya expect from a spinner post? Erudition?

Bellyup regards,
WorldWobbled

Posted By: consuelo Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 11:02 PM
I dipped into this:

nitch

'night, good night. (probably Scottish origin): nitch, sleep well, nie-night, don't let the bed-bugs bite! Also, nie-night

The map show it as being most common in the southernmost part of Oz.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 04/29/02 11:10 PM
Posted By: consuelo Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 11:16 PM
Well, pick my nits! Thanks, Max.

Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Wordmap - 04/29/02 11:19 PM
The southernmost part of Australia is Tasmania.

Tassie counts?

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 04/29/02 11:56 PM
Posted By: hev Re: Wordmap - 04/30/02 02:49 AM
Tassie counts?

Of course! How could anyone dismiss the island that produced David Boon - batsman and silly mid-on fielder extraordinaire?

Ha! [evil grin-e] Caught you out, Max! Was that just a smidge of admiration for an Aussie? Yee hah. We're movin' ahead in heaps and bounds ever since that ol' ANZAC thingy!

Doc_C as far as Tassie counting? I'm guessing paulb thinks so!

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 04/30/02 03:50 AM
Posted By: hev Re: Wordmap - 04/30/02 04:46 AM
so that's one less cricket record in Ocker hands.

Sadly, for your Rawalpindi Express, it doesn't look certain yet.

"But coming almost as fast as Akhtar's delivery are suspicions over the accuracy of the speed-recording device. The ICC is yet to endorse the record." from www.smh.com.au

I sincerely hope he gets it. It'll give Brett Lee something to aim for!

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 04/30/02 04:56 AM
Posted By: hev Re: Wordmap - 04/30/02 05:08 AM
I can't wait to see him dismiss Warne, preferably on 99.

Knowing us, we whitefellas'll come up with some other record, just to take the shine off Akhtar's record... You know, something like "Shane Warne: the only cricketer in history to take XXX number of wickets and be out twice on 99" ... [rolleyes]

Posted By: zootsuit Re: Wordmap - 05/01/02 02:57 AM
well well - this wordmap site is fascinating! I have never heard of "taco", nor "nitch", but then I live on the other side of the continent. Regional linguistic differences are always interesting are they not.
Glad to see the little apple isle (Tassie) getting recognised too.
BTW Consuela: it is perfectly OK to regard Victora as the southernmost part of oz too! Max is geographically correct of course but we mainlanders would not take offence at Vic being called southern.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/01/02 03:13 AM
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Wordmap - 05/01/02 04:41 AM
Have you confirmed that taswegians share your POV on this?

I think we just confimed that Taswegians' points of view are irrelevent.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/01/02 06:02 AM
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Wordmap - 05/01/02 06:14 AM
Aaah, the insatiable Aussie arrogance now turns on its own.

And for an encore, it will turn on itself.

Whatever the hell that means!!

Posted By: Bridget Re: Wordmap - 05/01/02 09:00 AM
{blue]: it is perfectly OK to regard Victora as the southernmost part of oz too! Max is geographically correct of course but we mainlanders would not take offence at Vic being called southern

southern
southernmost

Isn't there another thread on this?

Posted By: Jackie Re: Wordmap - 05/02/02 01:08 AM
I got:\sluggers

speedo-type bathers: Look at that guy, thinks he's so hot in his sluggers!

Okay, whenever I make it up there, I want to see all you guys model a pair for me! :-)
I'm glad they included an example of use. Otherwise, I'd have thought it referred to people who swim fast. Here, bather is an old-fashioned word for swimmer. I take it the usage here is what we would call swim trunks? stales, you ought to be bi-lingual--help!



Posted By: hev Re: Wordmap - 05/02/02 02:01 AM
\sluggers

speedo-type bathers:

Hmm, there's plenty of other names for them too... more colloquial than sluggers! Dicky danglers; Dick stickers; and DP's (DP stands for "Dick Pokers", which is what you see when a guy wears them). I'm sure there are other names too.

I want to see all you guys model a pair for me! :-)

And I'll be busy that day!

Posted By: zootsuit Re: Wordmap - slug-free zone - 05/02/02 02:52 AM
Oh blech!
"sluggers"? ?
What nasty connotations this has - and could be construed to be somewhat derogatory to the boys out there!
I am astonished to see that this word is attributed to my neck of the woods (West Oz). I've always lived here and have never heard it - well, apart from it being the name of a baseball-themed restaurant down the road. Like Hev says - we have other names for this little item of swimming attire, which are usually just called "speedos", but "sluggers"? No thanks!

Posted By: Jackie Inver-- - 05/03/02 03:54 AM
Someone sent me a site about dinosaur-bone digging in Oz, and it was near the very bottom of the continent (SE region), near a town called Inverloch. I know that the town that is just about the southernmost part of NZ is Invercargill. Does inver- have something to do with a southern location? Say--there's a street near me called Inverness--but it's not the southernmost end of town, let alone the continent. Loch and ness make we wonder if it's Scottish. Cargill is a mystery to me.

Posted By: alexis Re: Wordmap - 05/03/02 05:00 AM
My lucky dip was:
white rabbits

you have to say it on the first day of any month which contains the letter R: White rabbits!

It says this is in Victoria, but having lived here for 5 years I've never heard it; we just say "A pinch and a punch for the first day of the month" and all the silly follow-ons. My husband, who grew up in Vic, tells me that people say "White rabbits" when they put out a campfire, to make the smoke go away!

alexis


Posted By: Bingley Re: Inver-- - 05/03/02 05:10 AM
According to xrefer (http://www.xrefer.com/entry.jsp?xrefid=443769&secid=.1.-#s.1.-) inver is Celtic for river mouth. So Inverness is the town at the mouth of the river Ness.

Bingley
Posted By: Sparteye Re: Wordmap - 05/03/02 02:15 PM
Alexis ~

Could you expand on the first-day-of-the-month ritual? Is this exchange something one does on the first of every month? Typically with whom? And what is the complete litany, please?

Posted By: Bridget Re: Wordmap - 05/03/02 10:14 PM
you have to say it on the first day of any month which contains the letter R: White rabbits!

Similar things in the UK when I grew up, except that in my family we had to say 'Rabbits and Hares' rather than 'White Rabbits'. I think I knew both variations before I lived overseas, but I'd never heard the 'pinch and a punch' until I got to Oz. So maybe that's the one they should put on the word map?

In my understanding too, the words (whichever version you go with) have to be the very first ones you utter that month to be effective. (some kind of goodluck incantation?? - there's more to this than I realised when I started...)
All well and good if you a)remember what day of the month it is first thing in the morning when you wake up or b)don't ever indulge in the kind of latenight activity where midnight passes unheeded and you find you've said something else before you realise!

And this is the first time I've heard of the limitation to months which contain the letter R - I always thought it was all months. The letter R rule was for eating oysters or when to water cacti or something.



Posted By: Bridget Re: Inver-- - 05/03/02 10:26 PM
inver is Celtic for river mouth. So Inverness is the town at the mouth of the river Ness.

Which is all well and good, but 'ness' is a standard element meaning headland. (Check in the Norse section on Bingley's link.) So how did it get to be the name of a river? Is this pure coincidence or what?


Posted By: Fiberbabe Abuse excuse - 05/04/02 11:52 AM
> "A pinch and a punch for the first day of the month"

Wow - so I could expand my potential for physical abuse twelvefold... usually I have to wait until someone's birthday, and it's "A pinch to grow an inch and a sock to grow a block."

Posted By: alexis Pinch and a Punch - 05/05/02 11:08 AM
Typically, this is for kids - particularly siblings, in our case anyway... it can only be said before midday. Basically whoever remembers it's the first day of the new month first races up to someone and punches them on the arm, saying "pinch and a punch for the first day of the month." the other kid - if they can catch the first, who typically runs away (if they know what's good for them!) as fast as they can, can say things like "a hit and a kick for being so quick," "pinch and a pull for being so cruel," and maybe others - help me out here if you know others! - all accompanied by the appropriate gestures. I have no idea how or where this originated; I can't believe it's exclusively Aussie!

alexis

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/05/02 08:24 PM
Posted By: of troy Re: Pinch and a Punch - 05/05/02 08:36 PM
there was some ritual for your birthday, with getting punched in your upper arm.. girls always did it gently, boys, always did it hard.. even to girls.. until the teen years, when they caught on, it wasn't the best way to win a woman heart. there was some chant that went with it.. but i don't remember it all..

nothing for the first of the month..

but when my kids were young, there was a similar game for VW beetles.. the first person to see a VW beetle called it-- and got to punch some one..

called it-- that what we said, that what we did--

going out, the the first person to call shotgun had dibs on the front seat, because they called it.. conflict over TV, or where to eat out? some one would have called it-- pizza hut, or TGIF, or Sizzler.. and dibs-- i have first dibs on whatever-- the bathroom after a long trip, anything of kid value!

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Rabbits - 05/05/02 08:40 PM
Back to rabbits and months, when I was a child (60s, Georgia, USA) we had a pretty broad approach to the issue. For good luck, you were supposed to say "rabbit rabbit" on the first day of the month. Every month. Re Bridget's caveat, we didn't have too many late nights as kids so it worked pretty well most of the time .

Posted By: Rapunzel Re: Pinch and a Punch - 05/05/02 10:37 PM
the first person to see a VW beetle called it-- and got to punch some one..

I know this game as Punch Buggy. The kid who spotted the Beetle yelled "Punch Buggy Red!" (or whatever color it was) and punched the kid next to him/her.

A similar game is Beaver Whacker*, which involves vehicles with that fake wood-paneling. Whoever saw one would try to be the first to yell "Beaver Whacker!" and slap the kid next to him/her.


*Yeah, I know. Shut up back there, wouldja?

Posted By: maverick Re: Pinch and a Punch - 05/06/02 12:35 AM
mmm, in Kent we used "a pinch and a punch - first day of the month!" to which the traditional witty repartee was "a punch and a kick, for being so quick!"

My lucky dip seemed unremarkable: 'evening'

yeahbut!®

evening
(say 'eevning)
noun the period of the day after midday. [Middle English; Old English aefnung, from aefnian draw towards evening]


~ are they saying the term evening is applied to the period normally referred to as afternoon - truly?

I blame it on their sad downupside lifestyle - that and too much sun ;)

Posted By: Jackie Re: Pinch and a Punch - 05/06/02 01:48 AM
A similar game is Beaver Whacker*,
Ohmigawd, ohmigawd! I have both hands clapped over my mouth (or did, before typing). I do not beLIEVE this! This *couldn't have been the real name! (Could it??)
Wofa, you wouldn't happen to know anything about this, would you...?

Posted By: maverick Re: Wordmap - 05/06/02 02:47 AM
btw, in case not everyone noticed, there is a feature of this site advertised thusly:


Welcome to the Word Map forums page. Four Word Map forums will be held throughout the year. The dates will be announced soon. Each forum will be held in real-time with special guests. We hope you can join us. If you join our Mailing List <http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/mailing_list.htm> we will notify you by email with the dates of the forums.

Posted By: Bingley Re: Pinch and a Punch - 05/06/02 06:41 AM
Someone with an OED might be able to confirm my feeling that evening used to be the period after dinner, and as dinners got later and later in fashionable society evening came to mean what we would now call evening, and afternoon had to be coined to fill in the gap in the day.

Bingley
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: evening - 05/06/02 12:16 PM
Meanwhile, I *have noticed that shop clerks, for example, up here in the colder climes will say "have a good evening" when it's only shortly after noon. I'd sort of attributed it to the longer winters, the sun setting earlier.

There's a OED here but the print's too small for me to read it and the magnifying glass is unwieldy.

Posted By: wofahulicodoc let's just leave it to... - 05/06/02 12:36 PM
A similar game is...
Wofa, you wouldn't happen to know anything about this, would you...?


Sorry, I know the Punch-buggy Red (or whatever color) game but not the hit-the-rodent one.

"Beaver" can have many meanings, of course, ranging from the lascivious to the bland. Even without resorting to a dictionary we can give it implications of hard porn, or soft porn, but I would guess the relation to fake veneer most likely arises from the belief that a beaver fells its wooden "victim" by scraping off thin layers, and this is what's made into the veneer facing. (Just remember, though, this is the Premarin-guesser speaking!)

Punch-buggy-* has the potential to have a resurgence now that VW has hatched out the new Bug. Just think of it - a whole new generation of black-and-blue arms! (I always preferred the "padiddle" game, myself - you know, first to spot and proclaim the oncoming car with one burnt-out headlight gets to kiss the companion.)

Posted By: Bean Re: let's just leave it to... - 05/06/02 01:17 PM
padiddle

OH MY GOD!!!!! Finally someone besides a friend in high school who knows this game, by this name!!!!!! I'm totally thrilled, wofa!!! Usually, when I mention "padiddle" people look at me like I've lost my mind.

Regarding the beaver thing - it gets worse - my mom says those kind of cars were called "woodies" and were worth a punch, much like punch buggies.

Posted By: wofahulicodoc wooden have it any other way - 05/06/02 03:10 PM
I've always pictured "woodies" as old station wagons with wood on their sides (or, later, wood-grained paper or equivalent).

Oh well. Whatever turns you on, as they say.

Posted By: Bean Re: wooden have it any other way - 05/06/02 04:51 PM
Sorry, wofa, I think I was unclear. A padiddle in my vocabulary is a car with only one working headlight, while a woody is a vehicle with fake wood panelling as Rapunzel mentioned in the "Beaver whacker" post. Both padiddles and woodies were fair game to my mom and her sibs when they were little - or so I hear.

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Meanwhile... - 05/06/02 05:40 PM
(well, not so recent, but.)

Beaver College changes its embarrassing name:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/11/20/embarrassingbeaver.ap/

Posted By: Fiberbabe Car games - 05/06/02 06:57 PM
Yeah, Bean, we did padiddle too! Although it was designed as another reason to pound on fellow passengers, not express affection. Never had a game for woodies, but when it comes to VWs, it was always Slug Bug.

Posted By: TEd Remington Re: wooden have it any other way - 05/06/02 08:02 PM
A woodie had real wood panels. My parents had an old Ford station wagon with some rotting wood panels, and I remember my father's complaining about how expensive it would be to replace them.

Along the same lines, many cars had wooden frame members. I owned an old Y-series MG that had quite a bit of wood in the frame.

Posted By: consuelo Re: Car games - 05/07/02 01:40 AM
I taught my kids the Slug Bug game. Boy was I dumb! My son got a kick out of hitting me as hard as he could and almost wrecked us once before I added the rule "No hitting the driver." My arm is still sore!

Posted By: Bingley Re: Meanwhile... - 05/07/02 03:47 AM
From Anna's link:

Beaver College changes oft-derided name to Arcadia University


...
"It seems to be a perfect name," Avington said, citing Arcadia's origin as a picturesque region of ancient Greece and its associations with a peaceful environment for thought and learning.

So is there any way anyone can make something rude out of the new name?

"We don't believe so. Certainly, that was something we looked for," Avington said. "We tried to go through every scenario. We've looked pretty carefully at it."


Is that a challenge?


Bingley
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Meanwhile... - 05/07/02 12:28 PM
Is that a challenge?

My money's on TEd

Posted By: TEd Remington Arcadia - 05/07/02 04:21 PM
ASp:

Reminds me of the story of the reporter who walked up to Cal Coolidge one day and said to the taciturn President, "Mr. President, I bet my colleague over there $10 I could get you to say three words."

Cal responded, "You lose."

The fact of the matter is that when they came up with the name of Arcadia they came to me and asked me to beta test the name to see if I could find anything scatalogical in it. I couldn't.

Now, if you believe the prior paragraph, I'd like to talk to you about some land in Arkansas.

Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Arcadia - 05/08/02 12:45 AM
Arcadia University opening day speech...

A rc ad i a. Un iv e rs I. ty.

An arsy aide I, eh? And Ivy (league) es 'rat****', aye. Thank you.

Best I can do at short notice. Updates to follow.

Posted By: Sparteye Re: Meanwhile... - 05/08/02 01:43 AM
I suppose it depends upon your concept of "rude," but the first thing which came to mind for me was Arcania, followed by Cicadia.