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Posted By: Wordwind louche - 04/15/02 12:12 AM
Louche was used in a biography I'm reading, and I checked it out in the dictionary. What I found interesting was how the definition went in a couple of closely-related directions, but the etymology did, too. I'll copy out what I found in AHD:

louche: of questionable taste or morality; decadent... [French, from Old French losche, squint-eyed, feminine of lois, from Latin luscus, blind in one eye.

Ironic to consider With Eyes Wide Open and how, way back when, decadence was related (perhaps) to blinding one eye.

Book regards,
Wordwind Wanna guess whose biography this one is? Wide-eyed open field, huh?!

Posted By: wwh Re: louche - 04/15/02 01:09 AM
Wordwind knows "louche" was Today's Word a long time ago, but she was too tired to post about it.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: louche - 04/15/02 01:16 AM
Wordwind was informed by a kind medicine man that louche was Today's Word a long time ago, but she is too tired to delete this thread. Not really. I would like to know whether anyone can guess whose biography I'm reading. And I'm also wondering whether anyone will make the connection between Jackie's regenerate thread and this degenerate one!

Best rest,
WordWeary

Posted By: modestgoddess Re: louche - 04/15/02 02:42 AM
Is't Stan-the-Man Kubrick about whom you is reading? [curious-e]

or am I waaaaay off base?

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: louche - 04/15/02 07:05 PM
A reader-reviewer on www.amazon.com disparagingly refers to the books of James Ellroy (L.A. Confidential, The Black Dahlia are two) as being for the louche set.

In reply to:

Ironic to consider With Eyes Wide Open and how, way back when, decadence was related (perhaps) to blinding one eye.


Can you explain this? I don't get it.

Posted By: wwh Re: louche - 04/15/02 08:10 PM
Decadence is an interesting word. Literally it refers to something so old ;it is falling down. In literature the impression I have of it was a derogatory term for infatuation with antiquated and mildly grotesque immoral style, proposed by ultra-conservatist critcs. I think the Nazis used it against authors they hoped to stifle.
I expect some lumps for venturing that opinion.

Incidentally "Black Dahlia" was a hyped-up mysterious mourner who placed memorials of grave of Rudolph Valentino. Bet nobody remember him.
Dear WW: I doubt that there really is a black dahlia. It was so long ago, I don't remember why the mysterious lady was so called, most likely because she dressed in black.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Black Dahlias - 04/15/02 10:33 PM
Dear wwh,

Did the mourner place black dahlias upon Rudy's grave? And, if so, why the black dahlia? Was this a flower of some significance to Rudy? Seems red daliahs would have been a possibility--the ruddy in Rudy and in the flower. Then Rudy died--and the dahlias transformed to a lugubrious black.

Just theorizing here till you give us some input.

Banshee regrets,
WordWoes

Posted By: Wordwind Re: louche - 04/15/02 10:39 PM
Dear MG: Nope, the bio isn't of Stan-the-Man.

Dear Alex: I'm just guessing that louche from the Latin to be blind in one eye could--just mebbe could--have to do with something being so either so immoral or in bad taste to consider that the person's eye figuratively was blinded in taking it in. Why one eye? The only thing I can think of is sometimes when something is highly distasteful, we squint up one eye; the other would be left open to take in the blinding sight.

And, on another somewhat related tangent, I just learned today that reprobate can be used as a transitive verb.

Blinded regards,
WitheyesWideopen

Posted By: belMarduk Re: louche - 04/16/02 12:45 AM
Funny that we never use louche to mean "blind in one eye" here.

A man can be louche (adjective)
- he looks very suspicious/questionable

or a man can louche (verb) -
1) have one eye that moves to the right or left of its own accord, like being crosseyed but in only one eye.
2) snarky way of saying he is always looking at your breasts



Posted By: wwh Re: louche - 04/16/02 01:48 AM
A general term for eye deviation is "strabismus". In looking at etymology in dictionary, I was reminded of the historian and geographer Strabo. I found many sites about him, but not surprisingly no statement as to whether his name was or was not derived from deviation of one eye.
Cognomen is the only word I can think of for name given because of a physical characteristic. Can any of you think of a better word? Cicero is an example, based on head of his branch having a prominent wart on his nose, or something like that. Survives in "chick peas". Wait till CK sees this.

Posted By: modestgoddess Re: louche - 04/16/02 02:07 AM
Okay, I am guessing again: You are reading the biography of a louche optometrist. Or opthalmologist. I bet it was written by A. Sitefor Soreyes.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: louche - 04/16/02 08:52 AM
Dear MG,

Hint: Her writing was a sight for sore eyes.

Best regards,
WW

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: louche - 04/16/02 10:13 AM
WW,

pick me! pick me! I know! I know! (I think....)

I got it by crossing threads... oui?

Posted By: Wordwind Re: louche - 04/16/02 10:26 AM
Oui!

Biographical regards,
Woman,Ouiand what a biography! Highly recommend it. I'm devouring it.

Posted By: milum Re: louche - 04/16/02 02:32 PM
No Wordwind, you are not reading the biography that you say you are reading, you are a proper epeolatrist and you are reading...

The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

The first sentence of the book...

"In Victorian London, even in a place as louche and notoriously crime-ridden as Lambeth Marsh, the sound of gunshots was a rare event indeed."

Now please go tell AnnaStrophic -in french- that she is wrong.


Posted By: Wordwind Re: louche - 04/16/02 03:35 PM
The Milo, aka Greased Pig, writes:

No Wordwind, you are not reading the biography that you say you are reading, you are a proper epeolatrist and you are reading...

Yes I am reading the biography I'm reading because I'm an improper epeolatrist! raspberry

Oui, ASp, elle est La Femme and L'Homme, non?
Yes, asp, she is The Woman and The Man, no?

Best regards,
Wordwind The Boucher of the French Language

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