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Posted By: TEd Remington You heard it here first! - 12/08/04 08:06 AM
"Bipartisanship is absolutely essential.... It's too easy to demagogue this for one side or the other," added Kolbe.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

Posted By: Faldage Re: You heard it here first! - 12/08/04 11:21 AM
Whaddaya got against bipartisanship?

Posted By: plutarch Re: You heard it here first! - 12/10/04 04:43 AM
Whaddaya got against bipartisanship?

I think his objection is to "demagogue this", Faldage.

Some people are partisan in their politics and others in their parts of speech.

Kolbe is making a demamockery of demagoguery.

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: You heard it here first! - 12/10/04 12:40 PM
I think his objection is to "demagogue this", Faldage.

As the kids say, "Duh." Or, (and I like this one better), "No sh%#, Sherlock."

Why don't y'all plutarchi just give up and find another message board? I can send you a list. It'd be really cool if you actually made good on your threat to leave. You wouldn't be missed.

Posted By: Faldage Re: You heard it here first! - 12/10/04 10:22 PM
OED demagogue, v. 1656

Posted By: tsuwm verbing demagogue - 12/10/04 11:08 PM
[pun intended] just following up on Faldage's thought:

Chiefly U.S.


[f. prec.]

1. intr. To play the demagogue.

1656 HARRINGTON Oceana 143 When that same ranting fellow Alcibiades fell a demagoging for the Sicilian War. 1850 Congress. Globe 24 July App. 940 In Ohio, the master-spirits of the party, while demagoging upon the stump, have promised the people [etc.]. 1867 Ibid. 16 Mar. 146/1 There was a great temptation presented to members of the Republican party now to demagogue. 1876 Congress. Rec. 1 July 4338/1, I have not been one of those..trying to cut down a few dollars for the purpose of demagoguing before the county.



2. trans. To deal with (a matter) after the fashion of a demagogue.

1890 Cincinnati Commercial Gaz. 31 July, The President never thought of demagoging the matter by..spurning the goodly gift. 1897 Congress. Rec. 20 Feb. 2041/2 Here is a plain, common-sense question, not to be demogogued in any way.



Posted By: themilum Re: verbing demagogue - 12/10/04 11:45 PM
Well boys, not to fight Plutarch's battles, I'm sure he can cope much better than I, but I wonder, if you question Plutarch's interpretation of TEd's opening peeve don't you think it proper to simply ask TEd what he meant?

And Annastrophic, was there something that I missed that caused your incongruous and outrageous attack on poor Plutarch?

Come on gang, life is too short!

Posted By: plutarch Re: You heard it here first! - 12/11/04 12:41 AM
Whaddaya got against bipartisanship?

Dear ASp, it seems that I took Faldage's remark too literally. That is regretable.





Posted By: musick Porpoiseful pondering - 12/11/04 07:54 PM
And Annastrophic, was there something that I missed that caused your incongruous and outrageous attack on poor Plutarch?

Yes, there must be something you missed. I don't find it *incongruous at all, especially with that big smile at the end

...and "outrageous", well, I have to say...

...no, I don't *have to say...

You're correct! Life is too short!

peace

... Meanwhile, back in the pen...



Posted By: musick Re: You heard it here first! - 12/11/04 07:56 PM
Who's Kolbe?


Posted By: TEd Remington Kolbe - 12/11/04 11:15 PM
is, I think, some cheesehead from Green Bay.

Actually, I have no idea. I was reading an article and saw the quotation and did not like the way he tried to verb a fine noun. Only to find out that it already appears as both a vt and a vi in some dictionary (tsuwm did not cite the dictionary if I remember correctly.)

But I still say:

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted By: Faldage Re: demagogue, v. - 12/12/04 11:39 AM
It just shows that the language is still robust, despite the misguided efforts of those who would love it to death.

Posted By: plutarch Re: Kolbe - 12/12/04 03:11 PM
I .. did not like the way he tried to verb a fine noun

I regret that I have to preface this remark by assuring you that my question is sincere but, is the pot calling the kettle black when you denounce "demagog this" for "verbing a noun"?

Or perhaps "verb" can be "verbed", I really don't know.

BTW I have to confess that I rather fancy "demagog this". I was too timid to express my honest opinion at the outset, but I see now that I can do myself no additional harm by being honest. That is the one advantage of being everyone's pet pariah around here.

If you are damned when you agree, can you be doubly damned when you disagree? [For that matter, when you are damned for being agreeable, can you be doubly damned for being disagreeable?]

Other polysyllabic words have become more familiar in their abbreviated form than in their correct form, notably, "high tech" for "high technology".

If the elected official had said something like "This issue is too important to become embroiled in demagoguery", no-one reading his remarks would have understood what he meant. What is more, no-one would have read his remarks at all because he never would have been quoted.

I believe the elected official had something very important to say and I admire his savvy in finding a way to say it which would capture the attention of the press.

High principles are better expressed in the press than in a vaccuum of oratorical correctness.

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: verbing demagogue - 12/19/04 03:58 PM
Oh, not so outrageous, really, Milo, if you'd been reading the program. You haven't seen the PMs where that in question has threatened to leave if that in question couldn't force "the Carpals" to leave. Anyway here's something public from a while back, a thread with most of the alter-personalities, so you can catch up on your history.

http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=wordplay&Number=137085

De nada.

Merry Christmas

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edit:
More than one non-"Carpal" has left this thread because of that/those in question. The Plutachi had private-messaged many people to say *their* mission was to force the "Carpals" to leave. Looks like it backfired, only hurting some newcomers.
Posted By: plutarch Re: verbing demagogue - 12/19/04 04:09 PM
Merry Christmas, dear ASp?

I'm sure we could all do a lot of catching up on past transgressions, if there was any current value in it.

In the spirit of the season, ASp, and with high hopes of a more amicable new year, for both of us, I wish you "Merry Christmas". And to Faldage as well.

I confess that I am tempted to respond to your characterization of "that in question's" PMs, but I guess it's time for me to practice what I preach.

"That in question" will do his level best to leave no questions in your mind.
Posted By: themilum Re: verbing demagogue - 12/20/04 02:07 AM
Sure, it's fine and dandy for Anastrophic and Faldage and Plutarch to say "Merry Christmas" and chit chat about spreading good will, but what about the little children who visit the Birmingham Public Library where the word "Christmas" is taboo.

Hear the sordid details in "Miscellany" coming soon.

Posted By: Faldage Re: verbing demagogue - 12/20/04 11:52 AM
Well, Lusty Yule to all the little kiddies in Birmingham.

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