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Posted By: themilum Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 12:27 AM


What this country needs is either a good five cent cigar or a new mnemonic for the value of Pi.

Here is Pi to the first fifty decimal places...

3. 14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510

And here is the challange...

Create a mnemonic for pi to as many decimal places as you please by using the respective numbers as the number of letters in a word unit that makes sense in a sentence structure.

Confused? This is child's play. Here is an example from the book Pi: A Biography of the World's Most Mysterious Number...

    3.  1   4    1     5        9      2    6
May I have a large container of coffee?

Get it? The best Pi mnemonic from the book has digits for the first fourteen decimal places (3.14159265358979) and is...

"How I want a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics."

Sounds like fun, I'm off to see what I can construct. Goodnight.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 08:16 AM
Marilyn Vos Savant, I think, published a mnemonic poem for the places of pi last year. I clipped it and lost it. Drat. But the poem covered dozens of places. Did anyone keep it?

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 10:15 AM
There exist mnemonic devices for pi such as this that are astonishingly long. Such as the following, which I found at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3550/pimnem.htm

But why stop at silly poems? Let's go for a really silly story. It's from The Mathematical Intelligencer, Vol.8 No.3, Pg.56/57 but I am not sure who wrote it. The story, which is a story about itself, contains the first 402 decimals of Pi. Any punctuation mark other than a period represents a zero digit. Words of longer than 9 letters represent two adjacent digits (for example, a twelve-letter word represents the two digits 1-2). A digit written literally stands for the same digit in the expansion (some would call this cheating). At least the author didn't reach decimal place 601, where we get 000. Or decimal place 772, where we encounter 9999998!

For a time I stood pondering on circle sizes. The large computer mainframe quietly processed all of its assembly code. Inside my entire hope lay for figuring out an elusive expansion. Value: pi. Decimals expected soon. I nervously entered a format procedure. The mainframe processed the request. Error. I, again entering it, carefully retyped. This iteration gave zero error printouts in all - success. Intently I waited. Soon, roused by thoughts within me, appeared narrative mnemonics relating digits to verbiage ! The idea appeared to exist but only in abbreviated fashion - little phrases typically. Pressing on I then resolved, deciding firmly about a sum of decimals to use - likely around four hundred, presuming the computer code soon halted! Pondering these ideas, words appealed to me. But a problem of zeros did exist. Pondering more, solution subsequently appeared. Zero suggests a punctuation element. Very novel! My thoughts were culminated. No periods, I concluded. All residual marks of punctuation = zeros. First digit expansion answer then came before me. On examining some problemsunhappily arose. That imbecilic bug! The printout I possessed showed four nine as foremost decimals. Manifestly troubling. Totally every number looked wrong. Repairing the bug took much effort. A pi mnemonic with letters truly seemed good. Counting of all the letters probably should suffice. Reaching for a record would be helpful. Consequently, I continued, expecting a good final answer from computer. First number slowly displayed on the flat screen - 3. Good. Trailing digits apparently were right also. Now my memory scheme must probably be implementable. The technique was chosen, elegant in scheme: by self reference a tale mnemonically helpful was ensured. An able title suddenly existed - ``Circle Digits". Taking pen I began. Words emanated uneasily. I desired more synonyms. Speedily I found my (alongside me) Thesaurus. Rogets is probably an essential in doing this, instantly I decided. I wrote and erased more. The Rogets clearly assisted immensely. My story proceeded (how lovely!) faultlessly. The end, above all, would soon joyfully overtake. So, this memory helper story is incontestably complete. Soon I will locate publisher. There a narrative will I trust immediately appear, producing fame. THE END..



Posted By: gonoldothrond Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 10:46 AM
[in reply to M. Vos S.'s poem]

Yes, I read the poem too, but could not remember it. BUT...(thank goodness for google!)...

Sir, I send a rhyme excelling
In sacred truth and rigid spelling
Numerical sprites elucidate
For me the lexiconís full weight.


as I recall, someone brought this up in a previous topic as well...can't remember where, though!

Posted By: gonoldothrond Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 10:53 AM
If I may, I'd like to offer an alternate challenge (since I've already given up on beating Alex's story): Try creating a similar mnemonic, but for another infinite decimal- phi. The first fifty digits are:

1. 61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576

You can find the first 20,000 places (!) here: http://goldennumber.net/phi20000.htm.

Posted By: Alex Williams Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/13/04 09:17 PM
O Rabbit I multiply, and see Fibonacci function measured rightly.

Posted By: clockworkchaos Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/14/04 11:58 AM
3.1618033988749 (I've never tried this before.)

A veggie I digested, and raw naturally produced potatoes deliver good nutrients.



Posted By: themilum Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/14/04 06:47 PM

You know what my problem is, Wordwind? My problen is that I think that Marilyn Vos Savant, the smartest woman in the world, is not as smart as the smartest man in Blount County.

Whew! This puzzle was hard work and turned out not-so-hot but at least I trumped, that woman, Marilyn Vos Savant, in spades by adding an acrostic bent.

Whew! It weren't worth it...none of my friends were impressed and now I'm kinda ashamed of my clumsy rhyme.

Oh well...here it is anyway...

3. 14159 26535 89793

Met A Rake I Liked Yesterday-
-No Virtue, Oozed Sin;
Slimy xxx-i-nine Volupteer,
xxxhole!- Nummerato Ten.

Yeah, I know my rhyme lacks meter, but hey, I took the letters MARILYN VOS SAVANT to sixteen places, that's good isn't it?




Posted By: musick Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/14/04 08:29 PM
I took the letters MARILYN VOS SAVANT to sixteen places, that's good isn't it?

I like it... the deed seems strangely familiar...

Posted By: Jackie Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 01:23 AM
Finally caught up in this category; 462 new posts--whew. Read most, skimmed some--then I came to this. You know, in some ways I am fairly lenient; and there are some "bad" words that I use regularly; but the a** word just offends me; it's worse than the b*** word that means the same thing, and I don't use that word either. So I think I have decided on other posts to skip over in the future. Regrets.

Posted By: grapho Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 01:35 AM
Yeah, I know my rhyme lacks meter, but hey, I took the letters MARILYN VOS SAVANT to sixteen places

If you took MARILYN VOS SAVANT to 16 places and they wouldn't let her in, themilum, it isn't because your rhyme lacks meter.

Maybe it just lacks class.

Posted By: grapho Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 01:46 AM
Slimy Ass-i-nine Volupteer, Asshole!-

Very Cl-assy.

Posted By: themilum Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 02:03 AM
Really. I don't like the word either, Jackie, but (may I use "but"?) I took the rhyme where it led me.

Now tell me...why didn't you simply send me a personal note informing me of your displeasure? It would seeem to me to be the proper thing to do.

Hey grapho, go take a hike.

Posted By: Jackie Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 12:52 PM
why didn't you simply send me a personal note Because* my attention was called to it by someone else it offended; not the one with whom you have been arguing so much. I declare, I've pretty much gotten to where I don't look at anything either of you post.
*I see now that I should have sent a PM. My apologies; and, thank you.

Far be it from me to even think of criticizing anyone for writing whatever their muse leads them to, but. Since we have had a lot of new people--oh, I came across about four new ones just reading this category last night: a bleated (Ack--make that belated! ) welcome to you all--let me say again that I think it would be nice if we all kept in mind that we have no way of knowing who will read what we post, and therefore no way of knowing what might offend. It would be different if this were a porn site, or any site where that type of language has been common; people would know then what to expect. Here, by and large, we have managed to stay at what in my mind is a level up from that. Quite likely a poetry site would have welcomed it and shock would have come only at someone complaining about it. Down and dirty has its place, and can be a lot of fun; but so far this hasn't been the place for it. That could change, I suppose, but I'd regret it very much.


Posted By: musick I didn't do nuthin... I swear - 10/15/04 01:50 PM
...their muse leads them to, but.

Ain't that spelt with two t's?

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Impress your Friends with Pi - 10/15/04 02:46 PM
Milo, I *am impressed. Does this make me your friend?

Jackie, thank you once again for the equilibrium you inject to keep this message board on an even keel. I must say, though, that themilum didn't actually write the word, he left it as xxx, so as the good old boys in the Order of the Garter would say:

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Impress your Friends with Cake - 10/15/04 04:22 PM
themilum didn't actually write the word

err, nope, that was after the edit, latecomer...
Posted By: Jackie Re: I didn't do nuthin... I swear - 10/15/04 05:32 PM
musick, come here a minute--I have something for you...

At least you-all didn't get on me for bleating, she said sheepishly.
Anna--thank you, and you're welcome!

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: late to the party. - 10/15/04 11:21 PM
Oh, I see now. Thanks, eta.

Posted By: themilum But first you must have one... - 10/17/04 02:59 PM
First AnnaStrophic said...

"Milo, I *am impressed. Does this make me your friend?"

I was gonna reply...

No, AnnaStrophic, friends don't become friends because they are impressed, friends become friends because they are kind.
Thank you for the kindness that is expessed in your post.


But before I could post this etaoin hurriedly said...


themilum didn't actually write the word

err, nope, that was after the edit, latecomer...

So AnnaStrophic then said...

Oh, I see now. Thanks, eta.

Oh well...I've got three goldfish, they got too big for their bowl so I built them a little pond outside in the yard . Their names are Tony, Ed, and Shirley. Shirley and Tony pick on Ed sometimes because he is the runt. I am afraid that a big stray cat that I've been feeding will oneday eat Ed. The stray cat won't let me pick him up. His name is Rudy and he won't eat anything but Purina Cat Chow; the blue box with the picture of three white kittens eating Purina from a big bowl.

I, uh,...Hey! I got a idea! Hey musick you are kind. Will you be my friend? Guess what? I found a great search engine that can search 100,000,000 decimal places of Pi in no time flat. Man, we could have lots of fun finding telephone numbers and looking up birthdates and everything. Here it is -- friend!

http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery








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