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Posted By: Bobyoungbalt Christmas lyrics - 12/14/00 05:28 PM
Since we're into the Christmas season, let me quote one of my favorite carols:

Deck the halls with Boston Charlie,
Walla Walla Wash and Kalamazoo.
Norah's freezin' on the trolley;
Swaller dollar cauliflower, ally-garoo!

How many of you can identify that?

Here's another:

Adeste fideles, laeti triumphantes,
Venite, venite in Bethleem.
Natum videte, regem angelorum,
Venite adoremus,
Venite adoremus dominum.

Do you know in what century this was written?

Posted By: belMarduk Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 12:07 AM
The walla-walla-wash part reminds me of the story A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur`s Court (Twain). He did a whole song and dance with walla-walla-washington to bring on an eclipse I believe.

Posted By: paulb Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 10:17 AM
Somehow I'm instantly reminded of

"While shepherds washed their socks by night … "

Must be all this frankincense stuff.

Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 12:07 PM
>Must be all this frankincense stuff.

I will demur from making a bad pun. Of course bad pun is one of the basic oxymorons :)

Posted By: Faldage Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 05:33 PM
Bob y b blurts out: Deck the halls with Boston Charlie,

Umm, for starters it's:
Deck us all with Boston Charlie.

It continues:

Don't we know archaic barrel?
Lullaby, lillyboy, Louisville Lou.
Trolley Molly don't love Harold,
Boola-boola, Pensacoola Hullaballoo.

And a parsnip in a pantry.

Posted By: Bobyoungbalt Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 06:19 PM
In reply to:

Deck us all with Boston Charlie


I don't remember that wording, but you could well be correct, and probably are. How long has it been (30 years?) since Albert and Pogo used to dance around singing that?

So far, no takers on Adeste Fideles. Those are, of course, the Latin words to "O Come All Ye Faithful", which everyone I know assumes to be a medieval hymn, since it was originally written in Latin. Actually, it was written sometime between 1730 and 1750 by a music stationer (whose name I forgot) at the English college at Douai, France. The Tractarians first introduced it to England in the 1830's, but it never caught on in Protestant churches until the 1880's because of its Catholic origins.

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 06:22 PM
There's something about Xmas that brings out the bad composer in a lot of New Zealand advertising copywriters.

This year, so far, I've heard three rewrites of "The Twelve Days of Christmas" advertising godknowswhat, and one rather good one written by the staff of a consumer affairs programme on TV which pilloried all the shonky commercial people they'd dealt with and to during the year.

paulb's excerpt from "while shepherds washed their socks by night" made me think about the old kid's ripoff of the all-time favourite carol. I'll quote it in full:

While shepherds washed their socks by night
All seated round the tub,
A bar of Sunlight Soap came down
And they began to scrub.


Does the Sunlight Soap reference mean anything to those of us not of the antipodean persuasion?

Posted By: HouseWolf Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/15/00 07:26 PM
Don't you know Archiaic Barrel
Swaller dollar cauliflower, ally garoo.

Walt Kelly, c. 1956

berdonmill
Posted By: Faldage Re: Deck us all - 12/15/00 08:11 PM
Or:

Bark us all bow-wows of folly

Or

Duck us all in Bowls of Barley

Or

.
.
.

I still read my Pogo books. There is a new series from Fantagraphics Books that is replaying the daily strips which would be a little redundant since I have all the dailies that they have printed so far in other books but they have someone who not only understands what Pogo was about but gives some historical perspective.

This site:(http://www.nauticom.net/www/chuckm/bark.htm) has almost all the known lyrics to Deck us All. They left out at least the version from Prehysterical Pogo in Pandemonia

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/16/00 12:36 AM
BYB commented: So far, no takers on Adeste Fideles. Those are, of course, the Latin words to "O Come All Ye Faithful", which everyone I know assumes to be a medieval hymn, since it was originally written in Latin.

I think most of us old Latin hammerers understood that. Your question, though, was when it was written. I knew it was fairly recent, but I had no idea exactly when it was composed, or by whom. I vaguely remember reading about it somewhere ... somewhen.

Posted By: paulb Re: Louisville Lou - 12/16/00 11:11 AM
Our friend Faldage mentions Louisville Lou.

Any kin to our friend Jackie?

Posted By: Bingley Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/16/00 01:17 PM
In reply to:

While shepherds washed their socks by night
All seated round the tub,
A bar of Sunlight Soap came down
And they began to scrub.


Yes, I vaguely remember Sunlight Soap, but haven't seen it for a long time. The unofficial version of the carol, we had was:

While shepherds washed their socks by night
all seated round the tub
an angel of the Lord came down
and soapsuds flew around.

Bingley

Posted By: wow Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/16/00 06:32 PM
BYB commented: So far, no takers on Adeste Fideles. Those are, of course, the Latin words to "O Come All Ye Faithful", which everyone I know assumes to be a medieval hymn, since it was originally written in Latin.
I think most of us old Latin hammerers understood that.

Nowadays when a group of people gather -- be it at The Pops for Christmas or anywhere else -- you can generally tell the old-time RCs from the post-John XXIII RCs and Protestants by whether the singer uses the Latin or the English lyric. Or so I've found. Sine I am generally bad at Latin I use Adeste to bulk up my credentials and sing it in Latin!
Do they even teach the Latin lyrics outside of formal choral settings?
wow

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Picking on your Latin - 12/16/00 08:19 PM
WOW comments: . Sine I am generally bad at Latin I use Adeste to bulk up my credentials and sing it in Latin!

Well, although you didn't use it in a place I would expect either syntactically or semantically, you have left me with the (Latin) impression that you are without something, super-Mom. Was that to reinforce your lack of Latin?

Posted By: wow Re: Sine qua non - 12/17/00 02:41 PM
I don't believe I didn't catch that! It was, of course, supposed to be since not sine! When I read it today, I cringed because I knew I'd get caught. Leave it to Capital Kiwi ... he's sine qua non for Latin!
wow

Posted By: shanks Sunlight Soap - 12/18/00 09:52 AM
Sunlight soap was pretty big in India (at least it used to be). So successful was it that they extended the brand to washing powder as well. Lever Brothers?

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Sunlight Soap - 12/18/00 11:39 AM
Lever Brothers?

Right on!

Posted By: wow Re: Hanukkah lyrics - 12/18/00 11:50 PM
My close friend Marcia Cohen regaled us with:
Deck the halls with motzah balls,
Santa Claus is Uncle Sol....
Wish I could remember the rest...it was 1949!
Merry Merry!
wow

Posted By: Father Steve Adeste fidelis - 12/19/00 05:12 AM
According to Dom John Stephan in "Adeste fidelis: a study of its origin and development" (1947) this hymn was likely written by John Francis Wade. Wade was a Roman Catholic layman who copied plainchant for a living. The best guess for the date of its composition is 1740-3.

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Sine qua non - 12/19/00 07:47 AM
WOW said I don't believe I didn't catch that!

WOW, I wasn't really picking on you. Since you were claiming (in the same sentence) that you knew little Latin, your typo just seemed too good to pass up. I doubt very much if I'm the sine qua non on anything. I'm just a traveller really. Or as one of my colleagues formerly from China calls me, a "capitalist roader".

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/19/00 08:19 AM
In reply to:

There's something about Xmas that brings out the bad composer in a lot of New Zealand advertising copywriters.


Aah, but Xmas also gave us John Clark's "We Three Kings":

We three kings of Orient are
One on a tractor, two in a car
One on a scooter
Tooting his hooter
Following yonder star
Oh, oh
Star of wonder
Star of light
Star of bewdy, she'll be right
Star of glory, that's the story
Following yonder star . .. "

A true Antipodean anthem!


Posted By: Bridget Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/19/00 09:38 AM
A true Antipodean anthem!

Truly Antipodean, Max, in that it is an extended variation of something British. (run and duck for cover emoticon!) I grew up with all of that except the 'Star of bewdy, she'll be right' line.

Posted By: paulb Re: John Clarke [aka Fred Dagg] - 12/19/00 11:03 AM
I have somewhere on tape "A child's Christmas in Warrnambool" by John Clarke. [Warrnambool is a country town in the Australian state of Victoria]. I'll have to find the tape before Christmas and enjoy it again.

Posted By: NicholasW Re: Sunlight soap - 12/19/00 11:10 AM
The Sunlight soap parody occurs in the Molesworth books, 1950s Britain.

Posted By: Bobyoungbalt Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/19/00 03:40 PM
In reply to:

We Three Kings


One of my sons, ca. age 6, asked, "If the kings were from Orey and Tar, how come there were three instead of two?"

Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/19/00 04:00 PM
"If the kings were from Orey and Tar, how come there were three instead of two?"

Two must have come from one place, else how could we have,
"We three kings from Orey and Tar,
One on a scooter and two in a car" ??

This doesn't help us to establish which country had a dual monarchy, though.



Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: Sunlight Soap - 12/19/00 04:04 PM
Lever Brothers?


Port Sunlight, Lord Leverholme's worker's estate, which is on the Mersey opposite Liverpool, is a "Heritage Centre" these days.

Posted By: maverick Re: Sunlight Soap - 12/19/00 04:39 PM
a dual monarchy

Thanks, Rhu - I never did understand the meaning of Duchy before this!

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/20/00 08:27 AM
This doesn't help us to establish which country had a dual monarchy, though.

Maybe either Tar or Orey should have been the WTO.

Posted By: emanuela Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/20/00 09:29 AM
I didn't get it:
This doesn't help us to establish which country had a dual monarchy, though.

Maybe either Tar or Orey should have been the WTO.

Maybe you are saying that somewhere there was something similar to Bush vs Gore election?
Emanuela

Posted By: tsuwm Re: WTO - 12/20/00 01:50 PM
>should have been the WTO

World Trade Organization?
We'll Take Over??
Word's Tyranny Overcomes?!
what?

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Lyrics transformed - 12/20/00 02:20 PM
In my family, there's a tradition: stand a tree branch, maybe a foot long, in a holder and tie a red ribbon to it to make it festive. Hang an old gun shell from one of the twigs. You have just created "a cartridge in a bare tree."

(I, in the tradition of Voltaire, would rather hang a pen cartridge but whatchagunna do - we have a deer hunter in the family)

Posted By: TEd Remington Christmas stories - 12/20/00 02:41 PM
My brother is an over the road truck driver. He told me that over the weekend he was driving through rural Georgia where he noticed a community creche scene in front of the city hall of some small city. The three wise men were dressed in firefighters' turnout gear, coats, helmets, boots, and airpacks on their backs. Bob, being the curious sort, stopped at the local Piggly Wiggly and asked what was going on with the creche scene.

The woman behind the counter glared at him and said, "You northerners don't read your bibles very much, do you?"

Bob responded that he was a lay minister but had never heard that the Wise Men had such noble occupations. The woman retorted, "Hmmmph, it says right there in the Bible that the three wise men came from a fahr!"


Posted By: wow Re: Sine qua non - 12/21/00 12:17 AM
Capital Kiwi: one of my colleagues formerly from China calls me, a "capitalist roader".
Dear Cap, Maybe your alternate handle could be CapRunningDog.
wow



Posted By: paulb Re: Christmas lyrics - 12/21/00 01:12 AM
… and in today's Melbourne Age, cartoonist and poet
Michael Leunig gives us this version:

While shepherds washed their socks by night
All seated on the ground
The angel of the Lord came down
And no one looked around.



Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Sine qua non - 12/21/00 01:58 AM
WOW suggests: Capital Kiwi: one of my colleagues formerly from China calls me, a "capitalist roader".
Dear Cap, Maybe your alternate handle could be CapRunningDog.
wow


I won't suggest it to her. She has a wicked sense of humour and a very, very good grasp of English idiom, considering it's her second language ...

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: WTO - 12/21/00 02:02 AM
tsuwm hints:
should have been the WTO

World Trade Organization?
We'll Take Over??
Word's Tyranny Overcomes?!
what?


World Trade Organisation. The 4-year chairmanship position was up for a new appointment. One bloc favoured Mike Moore from NZ, the other bloc favoured a Thai gentleman whose name eludes me. So a compromise was reached - they do two years each.

Posted By: Faldage Not to mention - 12/22/00 09:26 PM
Good King Saurkraut look out!
On yo' feets uneven,
While the snoo lay round and bout,
Ragged and uneven.

Posted By: Solamente, Doug. Re: Not to mention - 12/26/00 08:08 PM
Going low-brow here...
Actually this is one we used to sing on the monkey bars in elementary school...

We three kings
Of oil and tar
Tried to smoke
A rubber cigar
It was loaded
And exploded
Now there are only two
Ooooooo
We two kings... etc.

As I recall, the song ends with the rerain
Siii-ilent Niiight.

It was damned funny to we third graders!

Posted By: belMarduk Re: Not to mention - 12/27/00 01:05 PM
Is this why there is only solomente one Doug?

But of course, es solamente, mea culpa, Monsieur Doug a bit of a quadralingual correction

Posted By: Solamente, Doug. Re: Not to mention - 12/27/00 01:35 PM
Quite possibly. And did I misspell Solamente/Solomente?
Had to check to see if I misspelled misspell.

Posted By: Faldage Doug tiene razón - 12/27/00 04:41 PM
es solamente.

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