Post deleted by wwh - 09/07/02 08:58 PM
Re: Silly sex words, part one - 09/07/02 11:29 PM
Well yes Bill, I'll admit I'm all of those A-things, but aren't there any B's?
Post deleted by wwh - 09/07/02 11:59 PM
Re: Silly sex words, part one - 09/08/02 12:07 AM
i have a list of my favourite phobias, when I went to get it out of my notebook I found a page missing which unfortunately must have had the 'fear of long words' one on it ( my absolute winner), ho hum, here are a few more:
ANDROPHOBIA- fear of men
HYPENGYO-responsibility
BOGY-demons
KAKORRHAPIO-failure
AMEMO-draughts
IATRO-doctors
ANDROPHOBIA- fear of men
HYPENGYO-responsibility
BOGY-demons
KAKORRHAPIO-failure
AMEMO-draughts
IATRO-doctors
Re:Deleted as inappropriate - 09/08/02 02:04 AM
I discovered that what was ostensibly an educational site was actually a front
for something unacceptable.
for something unacceptable.
Re:Deleted as inappropriate - 09/08/02 06:04 PM
That was a list of words, that's all. The only line that was crossed was an ability to absorb knowledge.
It's a 'sad day' when someone doubts the integrity of a list. It's the same day that 'Huckleberry Finn' is banned because it uses the word "nigger" or somehow 'perpetuates' a stereotype, etc....
I sat and watched the first two Godfather movies (for the first time all the way through) on a cable channel. It was advertised as the "Complete, Uncut versions". There is a scene when a young Michael Corleone, being protected on extended leave in Italy, gets married. The scene on his wedding night includes a breif topless shot... however this version had a computer "block out" her breasts. "UnCut" my ass. It's OK for us to see a horses head chopped off, Sonny Corleone being repeatedly riddled with bullets (including the asassin walking up after he's clerly dead and drilling him with the rest of his cartridge), a multitude of other bullets to the head as vividly and vile as they could be cinematically portrayed, yet apparently the world will be perverted somehow by seeing a woman's breasts.
Censorship is a personal thing.
(ps. I know they had no choice but to censor the movie in order to show it, but that's the issue! Maybe *someone could have asked Bill to remove just the *disgusting ones
)
It's a 'sad day' when someone doubts the integrity of a list. It's the same day that 'Huckleberry Finn' is banned because it uses the word "nigger" or somehow 'perpetuates' a stereotype, etc....
I sat and watched the first two Godfather movies (for the first time all the way through) on a cable channel. It was advertised as the "Complete, Uncut versions". There is a scene when a young Michael Corleone, being protected on extended leave in Italy, gets married. The scene on his wedding night includes a breif topless shot... however this version had a computer "block out" her breasts. "UnCut" my ass. It's OK for us to see a horses head chopped off, Sonny Corleone being repeatedly riddled with bullets (including the asassin walking up after he's clerly dead and drilling him with the rest of his cartridge), a multitude of other bullets to the head as vividly and vile as they could be cinematically portrayed, yet apparently the world will be perverted somehow by seeing a woman's breasts.
Censorship is a personal thing.
(ps. I know they had no choice but to censor the movie in order to show it, but that's the issue! Maybe *someone could have asked Bill to remove just the *disgusting ones
)
Re:Deleted as inappropriate - 09/08/02 07:07 PM
Dear musick: I have sinned quite often in posting ribaldry. I deleted that site only because
I discovered it was just a front for an unspeakably vile pornography site. As I told you,
it even had a name for inserting the penis into the anus and then into the mouth of the
partner. I did not want to let anyone think I thought that was suitable for posting on AWADtalk.
To the ladies, forgive my further explanation.
I discovered it was just a front for an unspeakably vile pornography site. As I told you,
it even had a name for inserting the penis into the anus and then into the mouth of the
partner. I did not want to let anyone think I thought that was suitable for posting on AWADtalk.
To the ladies, forgive my further explanation.
Change your subject - 09/08/02 07:40 PM
Dear wwh,
I thought I'd comment with my own perspective here for the examples I cited, not to prompt you to repeat the perceived transgression. My guess is that since you are posting this here (in public) you must have given a link to the source site in your second post above which I never got to see. I'm sure we'd all find it inappropriate here as its true nature had been discovered.
I apologize for the weak and failing attempt at turning this post into a discussion on censorship. It seemed like the appropriate place.
I thought I'd comment with my own perspective here for the examples I cited, not to prompt you to repeat the perceived transgression. My guess is that since you are posting this here (in public) you must have given a link to the source site in your second post above which I never got to see. I'm sure we'd all find it inappropriate here as its true nature had been discovered.
I apologize for the weak and failing attempt at turning this post into a discussion on censorship. It seemed like the appropriate place.
Re: Change your subject - 09/08/02 09:18 PM
good point, Musick! i was always interested in words, but i do clearly remember the first time i heard the lyrics to to the musical Hair and learned the words cunnilingus and felatio!
words only have power if we give them power. if we are shocked, we put it off and say the word was shocking, as was the F*** word, in Norman Mailers The Naked and the Dead-- an other eye opener for me, back in those days.
it wasn't that i hadn't heard the word or used it, it was i just had never seen it in print, being used as casually as the or it.
nowdays, i realize, i temper my language to the occation. i don't use F*** in general company that finds it offensive,(and some here, politely, have said they do) or at work or a string of other places. but i certainly know the word, and use!
I do find ethic slur words to be much more offence than the common four letter words, or any of the words that where originally posted. i never minded much if my kids said S*** or F***, but the N word (and even saying that is painful) or other ethic words, like Micky, or paddy or donkey, (all used to demean the irish) are much more offensive to me.
I self censor, but i don't much hold with being censored, or censoring. I want to be able to decide for myself what words i want to include in my lexis.
i trust other hear to do the same, (and for the most part we have). if they don't, i can stop posting here, or i can learn to deal with it, or i can ignore the offensive posts. but i don't feel i have a right to censor others posts. (but i don't think any did censor Dr. Bill, in this case it was self censorship.)
words only have power if we give them power. if we are shocked, we put it off and say the word was shocking, as was the F*** word, in Norman Mailers The Naked and the Dead-- an other eye opener for me, back in those days.
it wasn't that i hadn't heard the word or used it, it was i just had never seen it in print, being used as casually as the or it.
nowdays, i realize, i temper my language to the occation. i don't use F*** in general company that finds it offensive,(and some here, politely, have said they do) or at work or a string of other places. but i certainly know the word, and use!
I do find ethic slur words to be much more offence than the common four letter words, or any of the words that where originally posted. i never minded much if my kids said S*** or F***, but the N word (and even saying that is painful) or other ethic words, like Micky, or paddy or donkey, (all used to demean the irish) are much more offensive to me.
I self censor, but i don't much hold with being censored, or censoring. I want to be able to decide for myself what words i want to include in my lexis.
i trust other hear to do the same, (and for the most part we have). if they don't, i can stop posting here, or i can learn to deal with it, or i can ignore the offensive posts. but i don't feel i have a right to censor others posts. (but i don't think any did censor Dr. Bill, in this case it was self censorship.)
Re: Change your subject - 09/08/02 09:55 PM
Dear of troy: you gave no indication of what your reaction would have been
if I had not deleted that site. I have sent URL to musick, and will send it to
you if you so request by PM. My feeling about censorship is similar to yours,
that there is a time and place for everything. But AWADtalk is not the place
for that site,
if I had not deleted that site. I have sent URL to musick, and will send it to
you if you so request by PM. My feeling about censorship is similar to yours,
that there is a time and place for everything. But AWADtalk is not the place
for that site,
Dr.Bill, Change the subject title - 09/09/02 05:08 PM
But AWADtalk is not the place for that site,
I agree.
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Now, there must be a word for: the fear of being chastized for not being politically correct?!
DrBill - that wasn't directed at/for/to you and your decision to remove that link (inspired by it, for sure). Your a reasonable man and as most fears are unreasonable... whatever.
I agree.
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Now, there must be a word for: the fear of being chastized for not being politically correct?!
DrBill - that wasn't directed at/for/to you and your decision to remove that link (inspired by it, for sure). Your a reasonable man and as most fears are unreasonable... whatever.
Re: Dr.Bill, Change the subject title - 09/09/02 05:46 PM
well, Musick, i think its difficult... i self censor, as I pointed out... here, at work, around children, there are words i just don't generaly use...
I think the problem arises when we feel pressured to censor, and not when we freely chose to self censor.
We covered this a bit last year, discussing the article in the Atlantic about prescriptive Vs. descriptive dictionaries. the auther called himself a snoot, and pointed out, as a child, even though he was smart, well read, and good at math, he was too stupid to alter his vocabulary to the common words of the school yard and was constantly beaten up..
I speak several several different "dialects" of english, and like most here, (thanks in part to Maverick, JMH, Rhubarb Commando,) i know others.. I don't queue up, or have a bed-sit or take the underground, but i know the UK dialect pretty well...
i feel free to exchange dialects.. and in casual speech, i often us ain't-- a word that is general not acceptable in a proper english dialect.
my written dialect here, is not my formal writing (and some of you have seen my formal writing dialect and know that!) Maverick has heard my casual speech, and he has heard my formal speaking voice and they are not the same...
In the UK, the most formal dialect of english, Received English is a mark of education and breeding.. The is no single dialect in the US that compares, but we all know proper english when we hear it.
for some groups, speaking proper engilsh, is percieved as selling out-- speaking several different dialects is seen as hypocritical.. for other groups, no distictions exists... I am not penalized for speaking well at work, and using F*** in casual speach. I am not percieved as a "sell out" for using or not using ain't.
I feel no compuntion to self censor, except monitory! i feel i will make career progress based on my ability to speak business english.
by example, the people who post here, set the standard for what is and isn't acceptable... and anyone is free to obey the commonly held rules or ignore them. so, we have seen F*** written out.. and AnnaStrophic, has express concern about her verb tenses.. spelling errors are pounced upon, or ignored... depending on whim...
and when a new word is added to the lexis, it provoked discussion... and we either us it, or not...
our censor ship is largely self generated... and not imposed.. and that make all the difference.
I think the problem arises when we feel pressured to censor, and not when we freely chose to self censor.
We covered this a bit last year, discussing the article in the Atlantic about prescriptive Vs. descriptive dictionaries. the auther called himself a snoot, and pointed out, as a child, even though he was smart, well read, and good at math, he was too stupid to alter his vocabulary to the common words of the school yard and was constantly beaten up..
I speak several several different "dialects" of english, and like most here, (thanks in part to Maverick, JMH, Rhubarb Commando,) i know others.. I don't queue up, or have a bed-sit or take the underground, but i know the UK dialect pretty well...
i feel free to exchange dialects.. and in casual speech, i often us ain't-- a word that is general not acceptable in a proper english dialect.
my written dialect here, is not my formal writing (and some of you have seen my formal writing dialect and know that!) Maverick has heard my casual speech, and he has heard my formal speaking voice and they are not the same...
In the UK, the most formal dialect of english, Received English is a mark of education and breeding.. The is no single dialect in the US that compares, but we all know proper english when we hear it.
for some groups, speaking proper engilsh, is percieved as selling out-- speaking several different dialects is seen as hypocritical.. for other groups, no distictions exists... I am not penalized for speaking well at work, and using F*** in casual speach. I am not percieved as a "sell out" for using or not using ain't.
I feel no compuntion to self censor, except monitory! i feel i will make career progress based on my ability to speak business english.
by example, the people who post here, set the standard for what is and isn't acceptable... and anyone is free to obey the commonly held rules or ignore them. so, we have seen F*** written out.. and AnnaStrophic, has express concern about her verb tenses.. spelling errors are pounced upon, or ignored... depending on whim...
and when a new word is added to the lexis, it provoked discussion... and we either us it, or not...
our censor ship is largely self generated... and not imposed.. and that make all the difference.
Re: Dr.Bill, Change the subject title - 09/09/02 05:51 PM
the fear of being chastized for not being politically correct
How about the fear of being chastised for *being politcally correct?
How about the fear of being chastised for *being politcally correct?