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Posted By: modestgoddess Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 05:59 AM
This may well have been done before, but there seem to be a lot of new members (myself included!) who may not have seen it. Howzabout coming up with a list of oxymorons?

Some obvious ones:

Religious war
Confirmed atheist
Jumbo shrimp

Let us go in peace to love and serve the board.
Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 08:57 AM
Here's an oxymoron site:

http://www.specsci.com/donspage/htmldocs/oxymoron.htm

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 09:00 AM
A good one from the above site I posted:

Tight slacks

Here's another site that proclaims its being the largest online oxymoron site:

http://www.oxymoronlist.com/

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 09:04 AM
Here's one from the above site (which has certainly questionable oxymorons, but this won't ain't):

thunderous silence

And a final link:

http://pages.city2000.net/~mking/oxy.htm

And a final oxymoron from that link:

"Happy Monday"


Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 11:32 AM


Religious war
Confirmed atheist


I'm really tired these days. How are these oxymorons?

k


Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 11:37 AM
I wouldn't call confirmed atheist and religious war oxymorons.

Just my opinion,
WW

Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 11:58 AM


Is there such a thing as a "criminal lawyer" and, if so, does it really narrow down the search space?


k


Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 01:21 PM
There are those (not including me) who might say "criminal lawyer" is a tautology.

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 01:28 PM
I wouldn't call confirmed atheist and religious war oxymorons

If confirmation is taken in the religious sense, the former is indeed an oxymoron, and also a pun.

Religious war isn't necessarily an oxymoron - in fact, practically every religion subscribes to fighting the "good" fight in some form or another. OK, a fight that is more spiritual than physical may be meant, but waddya expect? Reason overruling gut reaction?

Here's a previous oxymoron thread, courtesy of wow:
http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=wordplay&Number=57328

It often strikes me that oxymorons and paradoxes should be meaningless, but quite often come across meaningful, and occasionally profound. You can almost think up a deliberate paradox/oxymoron and find meaning in it:

Blindingly obvious.

Infinitely well-defined.

Fantastically commonplace.

Brilliantly dull.

And - tightening the circle - there are enantiodromic words such as priceless, invaluable and bottomless (http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=451)

Which all goes to prove that language reflects reality, in that opposites coexist all over the place, and at the extreme opposites have more rather than less in common with one another.
We don't live in a binary/boolean world.

Another contribution to the new Philosophy of Words forum, perhaps..

Paradoxical FishonaBike


Posted By: Robert Payne Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 04:39 PM
I'm not sure this belongs here, but I'm reminded of the difference between a generalist and a specialist:

The specialist learns more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing.

The generalist learns less and less about more and more until he knows nothing about everything.

These two opposites mean the same thing in the extreme limit!

Robert

Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/25/02 10:37 PM
Of course, an oxymoron really means the pinhead freak in sideshow at carnival or oldtime circus.

c.f. oxycephalic
Posted By: modestgoddess Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/26/02 01:04 AM
Thanks Fish - and others....Perhaps "religious war" isn't an oxymoron - I've just always heard it referred to as one, and it makes sense to me simply because of the "thou shalt not kill" rule that appears in all three "book" religions (I believe it does?) - Christianity, Islam and Judaism (doing it in alphabetical order in an attempt not to insult ANYONE!).

How about this one, which apparently ran in a sentence in a review of a play a friend of mine was in? (told me by the friend, of course):

incredibly believable

Let us go in peace to love and serve the board.
Posted By: FishonaBike Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 09:29 AM
the difference between a generalist and a specialist

Like it, Robert . Have already quoted it to all who would care to listen, and some that wouldn't.

I think I aspire to be an extreme specialist.

Fisk

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 12:01 PM
I think I'm a general specialist...
generally...

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 12:49 PM
I think I'm a general specialist...
A military leader with only one or two tactics could be a specialist general.




Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 12:58 PM
These are from one of the sites I found:

American beer
American culture
American education
American English
American geographers
American history

...cute.


Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 01:14 PM
Dear WW: your choices of oxymorons sound like you come from Marin county.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 02:23 PM
Dear wwh,

I'm an ALL-A-Marin County Girl***!

Posted By: Keiva Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 02:29 PM
johnjohn gets full credit for this one, which he posted back in September 2000:

"plain language for lawyers" ( - an oxymoron, I hear you say)

Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 02:39 PM
Keiva: In plain language you are not welcome on AWADtalk.

Posted By: of troy Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/27/02 04:31 PM

this is just a trick... "johnjohn gets full credit." johnjohn is yet an other person who doesn't respond to Keiva's posts. Please don't think JJ is a friend to him

See
http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=73423

Go away Keiva, you are not wanted here.

Posted By: FishonaBike Oxymoronic Irony? - 06/28/02 10:09 AM
American beer
American culture
American education
American English
American geographers
American history



If that wasn't a UK site, then at least American irony isn't an oxymoronic phrase!
Mind you, then we'd have to get into a discussion of what irony means and so forth..
And here's a previous thread on that subject, kicked off by none other than you yourself WW:
http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=miscellany&Number=47618

- Though I have to say that (IMHeavily biasedO) the thread lacks something in Britlish input .

I mean, referring at some juncture to Alanis Morrissette's "Isn't It Ironic" as providing examples of irony? Puh-leeeze!

Fisk



Posted By: inselpeter Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/29/02 07:32 PM
she wolf?

Posted By: of troy Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/29/02 08:14 PM
a she wolf could just be a female wolf.

i have read, however, that she wolf, (as in she who weaned the twins romulus and romus(sp?) was actually a insulting term.. similar to bitch (a female dog, often used as a term to denigrade women) and most particularly use as a term for a prostiute.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/29/02 09:06 PM
<<a she wolf could just be a [she wolf]>>

Hence, the question mark--a joke, an invitation to mild outrage.

But as to double meaning, the same remark was made in substance to "confirmed aetheist," which is a phrase confirmed an oxymoron by wit, not common meaning.

Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/29/02 09:44 PM
Dear IP: I suspect many an atheist was confirmed in the days when it was hazardpis
to your health to admit being an atheist. But in those days anybody who did not
accept the Church dogma was an atheist. I cannot uderstand any intelligent person
thinking the Universe and our World arose by chance. Chance can create very little,
since it tears down at approximately the same rate as it builds up. The fable about
a million monkeys typing for a million years rewriting all of Shakespeare is nonsense.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/30/02 04:16 AM
Dear wwh:

I gather you're not arguing with me, since I didn't express any view one way or another about atheism. Since you mention it, though, and without expressing any view as to the existence or non-existence of God, the argument that the world did not arise by chance does not lead to the conclusion that it was created, particularly not through some external agency. Chance, or probability, I would say, is distinctly a part (oxymoron alert) of an *existing* universe. But that's just what I think.

As to all those monkeys, the fable implies that they would strike the keys randomly. If they did, it would at least be possible that they type up all of shakespeare --rather as attorneys sometimes do their briefs. It seems to me unlikely, however, that they *would* type randomly. And, incidentally, I've heard randomness is very difficult to generate.

Posted By: Capfka Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/30/02 11:19 AM
Very few oxymorons actually derive their humour from the dictionary definitions of the words involved. It's the combination of the words together with their less common meanings which usually makes them funny.

From that standpoint a confirmed atheist is indeed oxymoronic.

I have always like the term "permanent prehostility" which is not an oxymoron but which is a term used in CIA double-speak to mean "peace".

Can anyone come up with an oxymoron which is also a tautology? "Criminal lawyer" is close but not close enough for the cigar.

- Pfranz
Posted By: Wordwind Re: Tautological Oxymoron - 06/30/02 11:49 AM
Dress pants

Posted By: Keiva Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/30/02 12:52 PM
Can anyone come up with an oxymoron which is also a tautology?

If I corrrectly understand the question, perhaps "oxymoronic tautology".

Posted By: wwh Re: Oxymoronmania - 06/30/02 01:09 PM
Keiva: you were banned for starting a flamewar, and refusing to quit.
You got re-instated by extortion, threats of a lawsuit.You are ;contemptible.

Posted By: inselpeter Re: Tautological Oxymoron - 06/30/02 04:20 PM
one two nothing

as to tautological oxymorons, and with desire for ire: sweet tart
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