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Posted By: wofahulicodoc False Opposites - 09/17/11 02:51 AM

Stretch your imagination:

"Dressing up" has nothing to do with "dressing down."

Can you think of other sets like that?
Posted By: tsuwm not opposite at all - 09/17/11 03:25 AM
slow up == slow down
Posted By: Jackie Re: not opposite at all - 09/17/11 03:32 AM
Clap on, clap off...oh, wait.

Come on! Come off (it).
Posted By: Faldage Re: not opposite at all - 09/17/11 11:36 AM
Dressing up -- dressing down

Slow up -- slow down

These are two completely different categories. In the former there is pretty much no relation at all between the phrases and the latter are synonyms.

Bring up, in the sense of raising a topic. He brought up the matter of unequal access to natural resources.

Bring down, in the sense of stifling someone's good mood. He's constantly bringing me down whenever he sees me enjoying myself.
Posted By: BranShea Re: not opposite at all - 09/17/11 12:14 PM
Throw up (sick)- throw down

Though where the up and down give synonymous meanings, that's interesting too.

Posted By: Candy two opposites - 09/17/11 12:51 PM
chopping up a log after chopping the tree down!
Posted By: tsuwm Re: False Opposites - 09/17/11 02:02 PM
getting it on .. getting off

(but then most anything can be made salacious)
Posted By: BranShea Re: False Opposites - 09/17/11 02:49 PM
So the verb part of the one should refer to something completely different than the other?, Wofa Ho?

{ basically my English is not up to this preposition stuff, to use and understand those littlest ones right is the hardest thing with foreign languages}
Posted By: Tromboniator Re: False Opposites - 09/17/11 08:32 PM
take on - take off
put on - put off
onset - offset
inset - outset
undertake - overtake
let on - let off
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 01:41 AM
Originally Posted By: BranShea
So the verb part of the one should refer to something completely different than the other?, Wofa Ho?

{ basically my English is not up to this preposition stuff, to use and understand those littlest ones right is the hardest thing with foreign languages}

It's more that the parts look as if they should be opposites, but the wholes turn out to be completely unrelated. The incongruity makes you do a double-take.

It's part of the perils of using idiomatic language. (My ninth grade French teacher tried to cure us of literal translation by asking us to translate, word by word, the sentence "I was left behind." Snickers everywhere...)
Posted By: BranShea Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 10:34 AM
Ah, I see... hard to find other ones.

He didn't want to be dressing down a bunch of rookies.
Seattle Times Jul 21, 2011


“Dressing up is the new cool, and dressing down is old school,” he continued.
New York Times Sep 7, 2011


It can have both the normal opposite and your unrelated meaning.

I see.."J'etais à gauche derrière" ;-)
Posted By: Candy Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 01:15 PM
so are the pairs similar to an oxymoron then Wofa

what about these...

not yet
not always
not ever
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 03:26 PM

We had a Latin teacher with:

Ubi, ubi, sunt sub ubi.
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 04:10 PM
Quote:

so are the pairs similar to an oxymoron then Wofa

what about these...

not yet
not always
not ever

Not exactly. The oxymoron is a self-contained opposite -- "jumbo shrimp."
These false opposites have the external appearance of opposites, but rather instead they are like two lines that don't even intersect, rather than going in the other direction.

full duplex (teletype transmission in both directions at the same time)
empty duplex (can't rent my apartment for love nor money)

Your other examples are negation rather than contradiction .
Posted By: BranShea Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 07:20 PM
Excuse the off topic intermission. I see all these notifications of apparently spams in the list. Is there maybe a virus jumping around here? In your last post in this frase'
(can't rent my apartment for love nor money)The word money was a light blue link. I stupidly clicked on it and an advertisement popped up. The next minute it was gone.

Is this me my computer or is it this site? Scary.
Posted By: Tromboniator Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 07:21 PM
take from - take to

Some of these have multiple usages which may or may not be false opposites, depending on how you interpret them.
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 09:03 PM
The word "money" was a light blue link. I stupidly clicked on it and an advertisement popped up. The next minute it was gone.

That doesn't sound good. It's not linked/underlined on my display. I would guess it's local; if you have a virus checker, run it.

"...apparent spams on the list" -- what list is that?
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 09:11 PM
Originally Posted By: LukeJavan8

We had a Latin teacher with:

Ubi, ubi, sunt sub ubi !

Or the more compact (if somewhat grammatically inconsistent) "Semper ubi, sub ubi". But these are homonym problems, not those other kinds.
Posted By: BranShea Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 10:00 PM
That would be the active topic list, where the 'notified' means
a reported spam item.

In the meantime I have found out about the enhanced link problem. It is something called 'text enhance', very annoying but not malignant. By finding the distributers of the pest you can have yourself removed from their unwanted attentions.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: False Opposites - 09/18/11 11:46 PM
Originally Posted By: wofahulicodoc
Originally Posted By: LukeJavan8

We had a Latin teacher with:

Ubi, ubi, sunt sub ubi !

Or the more compact (if somewhat grammatically inconsistent) "Semper ubi, sub ubi". But these are homonym problems, not those other kinds.


Semper ubi, sub ubi - good! as long as "scis ubi"
Posted By: wofahulicodoc speaking of sub ubi - 09/19/11 01:47 AM

false opposites:

undercoat = paint
overcoat = clothing
Posted By: BranShea Re: speaking of sub ubi - 09/22/11 08:01 AM
So can you give your overcoat a new undercoat?
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: speaking of sub ubi - 09/22/11 01:28 PM
Indeed.

Another pseudo-pair is upright/downright.
Posted By: kwalijkje Re: speaking of sub ubi - 11/09/11 12:12 PM
Pick up/put down... as in: He picked up the dog and put it down.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: speaking of sub ubi - 11/09/11 04:49 PM

Look over/Overlook
Posted By: Faldage Re: speaking of sub ubi - 11/09/11 06:58 PM
Oversight/oversight.
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