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Posted By: musick Well heeled - 11/11/04 03:46 PM
Does this actually® mean I have "a good pair of shoes"? Do I keep my money in the heel of my shoe?

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My favorite word for 'money' is in Krusty the Clown's famous saying "What are you gonna do with all that kablingy?"

What's yours?

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Well heeled - 11/11/04 04:04 PM
here's one phrase that OED has got covered! :)

heeled 1. Furnished with a heel or heel-like projection

2. a. Provided, equipped; armed, esp. with a revolver. slang (orig. U.S.).

1866 ‘MARK TWAIN’ Lett. fr. Hawaii (1967) 86 In Virginia City, in former times, the insulted party..would lay his hand gently on his six-shooter and say, ‘Are you heeled?’ 1873 J. H. BEADLE Undevel. West 351 To travel long out West a man must be, in the local phrase, ‘well heeled’. 1915 A. CONAN DOYLE Valley of Fear II. i. 153 ‘Halloa, mate!’ said he. ‘You seem heeled and ready.’ 1956 ‘E. MCBAIN’ Cop Hater (1958) v. 47 ‘Were you heeled when they pulled you in?’..‘We didn't even have a water pistol between us.’

b. Provided with money. Usu. preceded by well. slang (orig. U.S.).

1880 Pacific Metropolis (San Francisco) 12 June 8/4 His friends want him to go ‘heeled’ and so they've got up the biggest sort of a bill for..next Wednesday night. 1897 E. W. BRODHEAD Bound in Shallows 153, I ain't so well-heeled right now. 1936 J. CURTIS Gilt Kid v. 51 He had done a gaff and was well heeled with dough. 1965 G. MCINNES Road to Gundagai x. 176 Dr. Crapp was a prominent dentist... He was therefore obviously well heeled. 1968 Daily Tel. (Colour Suppl.) 19/1 Though the million and a quarter left by his grandfather has been spread among a large family he is still well-heeled enough.



edit: re kablingy; that's one that hasn't made it into OneLook yet! <drool>

mazuma, clink, spondulix, pelf
Posted By: of troy Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 04:00 AM
i suppose its better to be well heeled than round heeled.

Posted By: plutarch Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 05:03 AM
i suppose its better to be well heeled than round heeled

... unless you're a well rounded heel, Of Troy.



Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 07:04 AM
Oh, I dunno. I've seen a heel fail, but not since the middle ages has one seen a cad fail.

Posted By: dxb Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 01:01 PM
Oh dear. Get thee to a monkery lest ye be chaste by bears.

Posted By: Jackie Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 02:36 PM
here's one phrase that OED has got covered! :) Thanks, m!

At the moment, I favor "the ready".

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Well heeled - 11/12/04 11:29 PM
Self-Help Book for Rich Hetero Jerks:

The Well-Heeled Healed Heel

Self-Help Book for Rich Gay Jerks:

The Well-Heeled Healed Light-in-the-Heels Heel

Posted By: themilum Re: Well heeled - 11/13/04 04:33 AM
The Well-Heeled Healed Light-in-the-Heels Heel

Very clever, good Wordwind, but now it is expective of you to origin the origins of the word "heel" as it applies asexually to both the male and female of our sexually discriminating kind.

Or... do you absolutely think that "heels" (meaning jerks) are exclusive to menfolk? And as such is any reference to a female as a "heel" an indication of sexism ? And as such is it therefore any more or less disgusting, either way?

But wait Wordwind! Please put your own fine words into your own fine mouth and answer - what, my dear friend, do you think?



Posted By: belMarduk Re: Well heeled - 11/13/04 02:12 PM
I think the word "heel" to describe a person who is a jerk is primarily used to describe men.

There are several slurs that are gender specific by use, don't you think?

For example, the word "bastard" is never thrown at a woman, even though the word could definitely apply to a woman.

I think political correctness is the last thing on a person's mind when they're angry and want to insult somebody.

Posted By: musick All that... - 11/13/04 02:50 PM
... and all you really® had to say, themillum, was "Tell us what you really think, WW".

Posted By: of troy Re: Well heeled - 11/13/04 02:52 PM
calling a guy 'heel' (a guy who uses women)still carries less of a stigma than many of the 'names/words' used to describe women who fall out of 'social norms'

blue stocking and round heels are 2
slut begins to enter into the collection of vulgar terms and that list is a long one.

there are derogatory terms that are sexist but i think there are more of them that are applied to women.

but as has been pointed out on this board more than once, there exist misogynist and misandery attitutes and behaviors in our present day society. attitudes are changing about misogyny, but there are TV shows (america's funniest home videos, for example) who's stock in trade seems to be laughing a men being kick, hit, or other wise suffering injuries to their genitals.

Posted By: musick Re: Well heeled - 11/13/04 03:04 PM
...but there are TV shows (america's funniest home videos, for example) who's stock in trade seems to be...

Even though they have an audience I'd wager against the producers relying on *them for the sound of laughter.

It's the same reson why, IMHO, most feel "Sienfeld" or "Freinds" are funny... developed consumers of comedy being propped up by the use of laugh tracks.

Spelling altered to protect the innocent.
Posted By: jheem Re: risus rarus - 11/13/04 03:14 PM
consumers of comedy being propped up by the use of laugh tracks.

I was always saddened and annoyed by the laughtrack on Monty Python's Flying Circus.

...patiently waiting for good, live television...
Posted By: amnow Re: and now for something completely different - 11/13/04 06:55 PM
Yer gonna hafta be purty patient, e! Seems every time (well, the majority of the time) anything is truly good or funny, it's gone in weeks. Maybe the "average viewer" is lower than we think?

Posted By: consuelo Coming in late - 12/15/04 09:53 AM
I recently heard a new slang term for money in Spanish. It seems that every culture has it's own (d'oh!) but back to the new (for me) word: chavos, which loosely translates to "kids".

Posted By: plutarch Re: Well heeled - 12/15/04 03:18 PM
I think political correctness is the last thing on a person's mind when they're angry and want to insult somebody.

Not sure I can agree with that belMarduk. I can't speak for the present generation, but in years past it was not acceptable for a gentleman under any circumstances to return an insult from a lady.

Winston Churchill, at least when he was inebriated*, was a notable exception in his famous exchanges with Lady Astor.

In looking for one such exchange between Churchill and Lady Astor, I have just discovered that Lady Astor was a politician. No doubt, this explains why Churchill did not afford her the customary protection of her gender when his mighty intellect was provoked. She had forfeited that immunity by becoming a member of Parliament.*

About Lady Astor

She was known as a fierce debater. There is a famous exchange between Winston Churchill and Lady Astor when they were both staying at Blenheim Castle visiting the Marlboroughs. The two politicians had been at each other's throat all weekend when Lady Astor said, "Winston, if I were your wife I'd put poison in your coffee." Whereupon Winston said, "Nancy, if I were your husband I'd drink it."

http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Lady_Astor.htm

* I have always been an admirer of Churchill [who was voted "the greatest Prime Minister of the 20th Century" by the citizens of Britain in 2000], but this reputation for returning an insult from a lady, whatever the provocation, was always a blemish on his otherwise unsullied escutcheon, at least for me.**

One can never win in the court of genteel opinion by crossing swords with a lady.

** Even his bad habits, smoking cigars and drinking too much brandy, were endearing. Churchill elevated even his weaknesses into virtues: "Claret is for boys, port is for men, but brandy is for heroes."

Churchill 'greatest PM of 20th Century'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/575219.stm

* I am sure all are familiar with this famous exchange:

"Why, Sir Winston, you are drunk!"

"Yes, madam, and you are ugly. But tommorrow I'll be sober."

Now that I have investigated the subject further, I think Sir Winston was being a little bit disingenuous in denouncing Lady Astor as "ugly". Her portrait certainly gives no evidence of it. Now, her disposition, well, that's another matter altogether.


Posted By: maverick Re: cha cha chat - 12/16/04 12:22 AM
That’s interesting, consuelo.hi :)
Wonder if there’s any connection with the widespread UK argot chav, used to describe a youth high on bling and low on educational self-esteem?

Quinion records:
Chav is almost certainly from the Romany word for a child, chavi, recorded from the middle of the nineteenth century….
http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-cha2.htm


Posted By: plutarch Re: cha cha chat - 12/19/04 03:39 PM
high on bling and low on educational self-esteem

It's easier to come by bling than it is by an education. That's the rub, isn't it?

If you could steal an education, there might be more demand for it.

Well, actually, you can steal an education, even at Yale, as the current President has demonstrated, but it takes a lot of money and some very serious heavy-duty pull to pull it off. [I understand that Dubya's year at Yale was the last year you could get in on your daddy's ticket if you couldn't make the grade on your own merit. Lucky us! ]

Posted By: maverick Re: cha cha chat - 12/19/04 09:48 PM
> the last year you could get in on your daddy's ticket

Now if only it had stopped there...

and, erhm, this is not a political thread in the same way that the padre's wasn't a food thread, so call Milo off before he starts...

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