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Posted By: vbq open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 04:33 AM
A Martian year is almost twice as long as an Earth year. As the distance between Earth and Mars gets shorter, will our days grow longer, or their days shorter?

We haven't been this close to Mars since Sept. 12, 57617 B.C. Was Lucy walking upright then?

"Just 34.6 million miles of space will separate the two planets Aug. 27. If that doesn't sound close, Mars was five times as distant just six months ago.

Already, Mars has begun to loom large in the late evening sky, its rusty twinkle apparent in the southeast. For the next several weeks, it should shine brighter than any other celestial body except the moon and Venus.

Aldo Vitagliano, of the University of Naples in Italy, said Mars hasn't had as close a brush with Earth since Sept. 12, 57617 B.C."




Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 12:57 PM
Was Lucy walking upright then?
Lucy had been dead for nearly three million years...

http://www.leakeyfoundation.org/discoveries/d2_1.jsp
look at year 1974.



Posted By: wwh Re: open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 04:20 PM
"A year on Mars lasts 687 Earth days and a Mars day at 25 hours is almost the same as an Earth day"

Day length of a planet apparently is unrelated to its position in it orbit. I wonder what made day lengths so close on Mars and Earth.

Here's a URL with a lot of data for all the planets:
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/astronomy/planets.html

Posted By: vbq Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 06:27 PM
I wonder what made day lengths so close on Mars and Earth.

Good question, wwh. Haven't got a clue. But fact that length of day has no correspondence to the distance to the sun (which varies widely at perigee and apogee) is counter-intuitive to this astrophysically-challenged observer.


Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 08:48 PM
day-length is dependent on the rotation of the planet, not the distance from the Sun. Earth and Mars are of a similar size and mass, therefore they rotate(spin) at nearly the same rate.

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 08:56 PM
Is it Venus (another close cousin of Earth) that has a day longer than its year?

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 08:57 PM
Interestingly enough, snopes has this perspective to add:
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We should note that although Mars' close proximity to Earth in August 2003 will be a rare occurrence, the red planet comes almost as near to us every 15 to 17 years. To the unaided observer, Mars won't really appear significantly larger or clearer this August than it does at those intervals.



Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 09:02 PM
after looking at Bill's great site, yes, it's Venus. really hot on one side...

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 10:36 PM
That'as a great site, Dr. Bill, except for one little detail. They have used "Revolution period (length of year in Earth days)" when they should have used "Revolution period (length of year in Earth years)". Unless of course, Jupiter actually does take less than a fortnight to orbit Sol.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 10:41 PM
and I just thought time was getting faster...

nice catch, Max. a tip of the slide-rule to ye.

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 10:43 PM
Well, I'm having trouble making sense of some the data at that site. Here's what it says about Venus:
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Rotation period (length of day in Earth days) 0.723
Revolution period (length of year in Earth days) 243.0


Compare that with a NASA site,
http://sseforum.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/index.cfm?Display=Venus that says

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225
Earth days it takes for Venus to orbit the sun. A Venusian year.
243
Number of Earth days it takes for Venus to rotate on its axis. A day on Venus is longer than its year!


Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 10:59 PM
nah, it's just a poor table. the actual figures are:

Rotation period (length of day in Earth days) 243.0
Revolution period (length of year in Earth days) 224.7

the color is the clue to proper alignment.

Posted By: wwh Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 11:15 PM
Dear ajmmaxq: take another look at the table. It says that Venus' day is 0.723 earth days. Its day is shorter than Earth's.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 11:17 PM
that .723 figure is it's distance(in astronomical units) from the sun. the table is askew...

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Open 687 days a year - 08/23/03 11:26 PM
Thanks, etaoin, I should have noticed the colour discrepancy.

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