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Posted By: wwh wake vs. awake - 08/22/03 05:19 PM
I was taught to make a distinction between "wake" and "awake", that "awake" was intransitive. My dictionary does not support this.
Comments, please.

Posted By: Faldage Re: wake vs. awake - 08/22/03 05:29 PM
AHD4's usage note has some comments on this:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/W0011300.html

Posted By: maverick Re: wake vs. awake - 08/22/03 09:59 PM
mmm, useful note on Northern / Grits differences too.

Posted By: wow Re: wake vs. awake - 08/23/03 11:03 AM
Whoever thought I'd get a chuckle out of a dictionary!
Extrapolating the meanings gives an interesting twist to the movie title "Waking Ned Devine" wherein a man in an isolated Irish village wins the lottery and dies of shock so villagers decide to "wake" (bring to consciousness) Ned by having another assume his identity and claim the prize which will be divided equally among the villagers. Meanwhile they hold a "wake" (a pre-burial vigil) for dear old Ned who brought prosperity to the village.


Posted By: Faldage Re: wake vs. awake - 08/23/03 11:20 AM
vigil

Interesting euphemism(?) for party.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: wake vs. awake - 08/23/03 12:45 PM
wachet auf!

Posted By: dodyskin Re: wake vs. awake - 08/24/03 03:04 PM
cos i is well ignorant an stuff i never nyoo wot intransitive ment so i tried to find out an i got noewair, if yoo can werk owt wot i just roat maybee yoo can werk owt wot dis meens

The basic definition of an intransitiveverb is a verb, utilized in a sentence, with no compliment. This definition holds true in many instances, but is not true in all cases. To explore any subject one must find the basis in rules and to find the exceptions, which makes rule necessary. The ways that a verb is used in transitory situations does not necessarily set the limits of the intransitive verb. A closer look at the limits and definition will help to find the distinction between uses of transitive and intransitive verbs, but will involve exceptions as a gray area between the standard definitions. It is a necessity to start with a good definition of terms to discuss variances within the definition of an intransitive verb.

Definition of the term intransitive must necessarily exist because of the defined precepts of a transitive verb. A transitive verb can have many complements and can serve the main function intended in verb usage. The sharp, short exchange of the language today has changed the rich, flowery prose and the necessity of an intransitive verb to function, as a demonstrative act, rather than a definitive purpose, has been required. The intransitive verb is most often used in a no complement sentence. A few examples of the intransitive style are as follows: 1. He exists. 2. Tom grew. 3. Jack waited. (Williams 216). The preceding examples are uses of intransitive verbs with no complement, however this is not the entire story.

The intransitive verb...
noe it is noe yoose i carnt taik it enee moor sumwon just tel mee pleese beefour i throe up


Posted By: tsuwm Re: wake vs. awake - 08/24/03 03:55 PM
dody, it can't be made any more simple* than this:
http://rspas.anu.edu.au/linguistics/Conferences/EastNusantara/ValenceQuest.html

where simple has a very high valence coefficient.
-ron o.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: wake vs. awake - 08/24/03 04:04 PM
from the tsuwm's cited site:

Where exactly does a 'word' end and becomes a 'phrase'?

becomes?

Posted By: maverick Re: wake vs. awake - 08/24/03 04:54 PM
Well, Michael, I read quite a bit of that site and I have now lost all will to live.

Posted By: wwh Re: wake vs. awake - 08/24/03 05:18 PM
From tsuwm's site, an interesting word:
deixis
n : the function of pointing or specifying from the perspective
of a participant in an act of speech or writing; aspects
of a communication whose interpretation depends on
knowledge of the context in which the communication
occurs

Posted By: maverick Re: deixis - 08/24/03 06:25 PM
I had not previously come across this component of the expression, but became familiar with 'deictic expressions' in linguistic studies. It's the sort of context-sensitive mannerism we'd all recognise which becomes well-nigh meaningless if the speech act is recorded - for example, someone says "I'm going to drink that". Superficially this seems close in structure to sentences like "I'm going to drink milk", but it depends for a crucial aspect of meaning on a physical action (pointing, nodding etc) which indicates the referent of "that".

Posted By: wwh Re: deixis - 08/24/03 07:06 PM
After I posted about "deixis", into my mind unbidden popped the word "apodeixis".
"Rhetoric has borrowed from dialectic several terms relating to argumentation, including pistis (proof), apodeixis (logical demonstration), and enthymeme (informal reasoning)."
The word "pistis" is also interesting. I wonder if French "piste" which my dictionary defines as "a ski run of hard packed snow" but I remember as meaning "the track of a hunted animal" (or crimial).
Another corny joke. Railroad dick stops a man for walking on the tracks. Man says he is looking for the railroad president. "You won't find him here." "No, but I'm on his track."

Posted By: vbq Re: deixis - 08/25/03 02:30 AM
After I posted about "deixis", into my mind unbidden popped the word "apodeixis"

deixis ex machina


Posted By: Bingley Re: deixis - 08/25/03 11:06 AM
pistis from Greek, pisteuo - believe, trust

Bingley
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