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Posted By: Coffeebean Mary Ann - 03/07/03 10:11 PM
What is the origin of the phrase: "the whole Mary Ann"?



Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 10:40 PM
I've never heard it. there was, however, a great song in the 60's "Mary Ann". actually, I'm not sure if that was the title or not, but it was the main focus of the chorus... might have to go a googling...

Posted By: Coffeebean Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 10:46 PM
Perhaps it is regional. . .I've heard it used around here (Pacific NW) in lieu of "the whole nine yards."

Here we go a-googling!

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 10:51 PM
eta, I think that was C'mon Mary Ann by Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons (great party music!)

I've hear "the whole shebang" and "the whole nine yards" (search, people, we've got at least two long threads on this one ), but never the "whole Mary Ann."

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 10:59 PM
Wrong song, right name:

"All day, all night, Mary Ann.
Down by the seaside, slipping sand.
Even little children love Mary Ann.
Down by the seaside, slipping sand."

And I wouldn't be surprised to hear I've got a mondegreen or two mossing up that sand...

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 11:01 PM
THAT'S the one I remember!! thanks.

now I'll probably have it stuck in my head all night...

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: Mary Ann - 03/07/03 11:39 PM
C'MON MARIANNE

Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons


Marianne, Marianne, Marianne, Marianne

Whoa-ho-ho here I am on my knees again
I'll do anything just to make it right
Say you'll understand, oh I know you can
C'mon Marianne


No matter what people say, it didn't happen that way
She was a passing fling and not a permanent thing
Say you'll understand, oh I know you can

C'mon Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)
Say you can understand
My Marianne, Marianne, Marianne, Marianne

Well now your big brown eyes are all full of tears
From the bitterness of my cheatin' years
So I hang my head, wish that I was dead
C'mon Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)
Say you can understand
My Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)
C'mon Marianne (baby)

Marianne, Marianne, Marianne, Marianne


© 1967 by Frankie Valli



Posted By: tsuwm Re: slipping sand? - 03/08/03 12:28 AM
slipping frapping sand??

girl, that sure is some monkeygrin!

(with a calypso beat)
All day, all night, Mary Ann,
Down by the seaside sifting sand,
All the little children love Mary Ann,
Down by the seaside sifting sand

Posted By: Wordwind Re: slipping sand? - 03/08/03 07:49 AM
Ha! Thanks, tsuwm! I had a sneaking suspicion my childhood impression of the song was probably incorrect. I've never researched the song, never read the lyrics, so I was writing on a wing and a prayer and figured I'd be corrected. But it's humorous to think how I've imagined the picture in the song all these many years: Mary Ann at the seaside with the sand slipping away as the waves hit it. Yep, that's a monkeygrin fersure!

Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Mary Ann - 03/08/03 03:10 PM
It has to do with marriage vows, particular the one of fidelity.

Posted By: Jackie Re: slipping sand? - 03/09/03 06:39 PM
"Monkeygrin"? Derived from: ape-sh**t + s**t-eating grin = monkeygrin? Or just grinning like an ape?

Posted By: tsuwm Re: slipping sand? - 03/09/03 06:49 PM
<sigh> mondegreen... monkeygrin
-ron o.

Posted By: Jackie Re: slipping sand? - 03/09/03 08:19 PM
Ok, but...but...don't I get any points for creativity?

Posted By: RubyRed Re: slipping sand? - 03/09/03 11:34 PM
While I like the correct one, I definitely like your creative one better, Jackie!

Posted By: Wordwind Re: slipping sand? - 03/10/03 12:56 AM
I thought tsuwm's was pretty creative in the first place! Especially since that monkeygrin was a first cousin of the mondegreen...

However, I don't know whether tsuwm created 'monkeygrin.'

Posted By: tsuwm Re: slipping sand? - 03/10/03 02:59 AM
at a minimum, I arrived at monkeygrin independently. but here's the monkeywrench: it comes up with three (completely unrelated) hits on the google-ometer--and two of those relate to ihateclowns.com!!

Posted By: Jackie Re: slipping sand? - 03/10/03 03:17 AM
Wee-ooo-EE-oo! Are Google eyes upon us? [looking over shoulder]

Posted By: RhubarbCommando points for creativity - 03/10/03 11:56 AM
don't I get any points for creativity?

Possibly - but you certainly get points for a dive into (or possibly 'an ascent to'?) metalinguistics, Jackie!
"Monkey-green" is a self-referential mondegreen!

Posted By: tsuwm Re: points for creativity - 03/10/03 01:41 PM
I'm feeling a definite chopped-liver moment here: exactly which creativity are you guys debating?
-joe paté

Posted By: Jackie Re: points for creativity - 03/10/03 04:08 PM
Put away the crackers: we were debating my "creativity", which was entirely a red herring that I hoped would distract people from the fact that I overlooked the obvious!

Posted By: Coffeebean Re: points for creativity - 03/10/03 10:22 PM
I heard someone say it again today!!

He said, "If this had been handled properly, we could have been done with this whole Mary Ann by now."

See? I'm not making this up!

Posted By: AnnaStrophic FWIW - 03/11/03 12:30 AM
Google has about a dozen hits (not counting the pages that contain a sentence ending in whole followed by one starting with Mary Ann). Maybe Dr Bill or someone else with time and inclination could look at these and see if there's a geographical pattern:

http://www.google.com/search?q=whole-mary-ann&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw

Posted By: wwh Re: points for creativity - 03/11/03 01:15 AM
But you didn't get an explanation, I gather.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: FWIW - 03/11/03 02:18 AM
and then there's the Whole Marianne..

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: FWIW - 03/11/03 10:18 AM
don't forget the Whole Enchilada!

Posted By: suededevil Re: Mary Ann - 03/12/03 12:00 PM
Mary Ann symbolizes the maids in Hong Kong

Posted By: RubyRed Theo Shebang - 03/13/03 10:36 AM
And I shall brazenly cross-thread here and offer up this Ball announcement:

To the Cliche Ball, please welcome Theodore and Mary Ann Shebang, and their son Theo Shebang.


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