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Posted By: belligerentyouth The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 06:48 PM
I don't know of this has come up before. If so, bad luck:-)
Those foreign to English often pronounce this word differently than I, and it got me wondering about whether I'm really saying it correctly. At dictionary.com I found some interesting notes on this one: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=bury
And that pretty much answered half my question.
It seems bury is generally spoken exactly the same as 'berry', or rather it rhymes with it as the link questions; 'Why does bury rhyme with berry?' it asks. It states how in certain parts of England bury was/is pronounced biry, boory (like jury) and bery. Fair enough, nothing uncommon. English students often opt for a pronunciation more like one of those rough, prickly husks, a burr, with a 'y' on the end though - and why not? One might agree that at least some would pronounce the 'bury' in Canterbury as such, as long as the '-bury' part is not swallowed as '-bry'. Or would you exclusively go for something like canterbery or cantabery?
Am I making myself clear? - Probably not.


p.s. How do you lot pronounce library, btw?
... ducking for cover [g]

Posted By: belMarduk Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 07:23 PM
I don't know if it is common but I pronounce differently:
bury = burr + ee
buried = berried
burial = burr + ial

Library = lye + brare + ee
(is there more than one way to pronounce library?)

Posted By: Faldage Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 07:27 PM
is there more than one way to pronounce library?

The first r is silent.

Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 07:31 PM
> The first r is silent.

Have we an authority amongst us? [g]

Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 07:40 PM
> bury = burr + ee

Good to hear that some first language speakers do. I think you are in the minority with your 'burr + ee' version BelM, but certainly not alone. Canadians also say 'to-more-row' for tomorrow too, so I'd hardly expect a normal pronunciation of 'bury'. Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 07:48 PM
Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?

Or perhaps bel is not a "first-language speaker"?

I do the 'berry' thang, too. And 'li-berry' jocularly [ahem]

'February' I avoid altogether!

Posted By: belMarduk Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 08:01 PM
Now wait a minute there mister ...isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row???

Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?

I"m not sure on that. Because of the French influence in Québec there are some pronunciations that are different.

Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 08:56 PM
> isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row

Errrr, no. Though my written form may be unclear to you.

The pronunciation of this word and others like it (e.g. 'bore-row' for borrow) is a 'secret' way to tell Canadians and USn's from one another. This vowel sound is the main difference between the two accents, but not the only. In ordinary language you don't have to wait too long before being able to confirm from which side of the border the person comes through this. Most of the time I can quickly single a suspect North American accent, I then wait for the 'to-more-row' confirmation - or alternatively an 'eh' at the end of a sentence before breaking open the maple syrup;-)

Posted By: belMarduk Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 09:00 PM
eh??



and pass the maple syrup please.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/30/02 09:05 PM
Posted By: milum Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 09:38 PM
In Alabama :
Library--> (slowly now)--> Lie- buh- rare- ree.


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Posted By: Keiva Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 09:39 PM
How do you lot pronounce library, btw? ... ducking for cover

From Gilbert and Sullivan's Iolanthe (the Fairy Queen, followed by the Lord Chancellor):

Oh! Chancellor unwary
It's highly necessary
Your tongue to teach / Respectful speech--
Your attitude to vary!
Your badinage so airy,
Your manner arbitrary,
Are out of place / When face to face
With an influential Fairy.

A plague on this vagary,
I'm in a nice quandary!
Of hasty tone /With dames unknown
I ought to be more chary;
It seems that she's a fairy
From Andersen's library,
And I took her for / The proprietor
Of a Ladies' Seminary!


[ducking for cover -e]

Posted By: Wordwind Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/30/02 09:46 PM
Children here go to LIE-berries;
grownups go to LIE-bragh-reez.

Children and grownups here berry objects in the sand. If they buried berries in the sand, it would be a berry berrial.

If the berry berrial occured the day following today, it would occur too-MAW-roe.

Berry regards,
WW

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 12:01 AM
bury

Interestingly enough, there is a newscaster named Chris Bury who fills in for Ted Koppel on Nightline, and is Koppel's heir apparant should he ever leave. And Chris Bury pronounces his name bure-ee as in jury. I guess the family changed the pronunciation to avoid the negative connotation. However, name entymology is usually pretty dead-on (unless the spelling's been changed, or they've been Anglicized or Americanized)...so, a millenium or so ago, when they were first attaching names, the first Bury was prolly a gravedigger...and originally pronounced that way.

(and if you were famed for intimidating the enemy by the menacing way you found of shaking your speare at them in the charge, well......good thing Will's forebears weren't known for dropping their speares, eh? Dropspeare would be such a bummer...but then, once it attained the same legendary status praps Dropspeare would bear the same respectful resonance after all?..it's the work, not the name, right?)

Posted By: Jazzoctopus Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 12:08 AM
good thing Will's forebears weren't known for dropping their speares, eh? Dropspeare would be such a bummer

Had they been Dropspeare's, Will likely would not have been around to experience the displeasure of carrying around such a name.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/31/02 12:23 AM
Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 12:30 AM
Had they been Dropspeare's, Will likely would not have been around to experience the displeasure of carrying around such a name.

Good point, Jazzo! Uh, spearepoint that is!



Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 12:40 AM
If you mean that pronunciation of family names is a reliable guide to how the word was pronounced, I would want to check that with all the Deaths and Deadmans around here first.

Pronounced, on the most part, as Deeths and Deedmans, no doubt? Wonder what one had to be up to in antiquity to be dubbed with such a monicker? And why would one allow such a name to stick?

   "You're a deadman!"

   "Cool! I kinda like that name! You can keep calling me that if you like...
uh, instead of killin' me."




Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/31/02 12:48 AM
Posted By: pjandq Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 01:12 AM
I just asked my husband, a non native English speaker, and he pronounces it the burr-ee way, I do berry. His library is without the first r. The word makes perfect sense to him because the verb lie is,to lend, in German.
The pronunciation of Nevada as Nevahda bugs me.

foggy gardens
Posted By: belMarduk Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 01:20 AM
The pronunciation of Nevada as Nevahda bugs me.

Hi pjandq, so is it your hubby that pronounces it Nevahda.


Posted By: Faldage Re: The pronunciation of Nevada - 05/31/02 11:07 AM
How *would you prononuce it, Nuh-vay-duh?

Or wait, wait, I know. Nay BAH thah (that's with a voiced th as in than)

Posted By: FishonaBike Brits buried in a canterbury library - 05/31/02 12:51 PM
Hi belligerent one,

I don't think any Brits have responded to this one yet, so I'll summarize my own pronunciations. I'd have to add that these may well be subject to regional variations (my "region" being essentially Southern England, with a smidgeon of Midlands and the merest dash of West Country to the way I talk):

bury = BEH-ree

library = LIBE-ruh-ree

Canterbury = CAN-tuh-BUH-ree
(the first "r" is almost, but not quite, sounded)

Fisk


Posted By: FishonaBike D'athy Duck - 05/31/02 01:50 PM
Death is pronounced D'ath

When I first read this I pronounced the last bit with a long rather than short "a" (ARTH rather than AFF):

"If you only knew the power of the Dark Side" [hrrrrssssgghh]

Shame that's not the pronunciation, really. Oh well.

But incidentally, I've known a couple of "Deadman"s who pronounce the name exactly as it looks.


Posted By: FishonaBike Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 04:01 PM
eh?

Wouldn't that be hein for you, belM, eh ?


For no good reason, I just remembered the 12 days of Christmas (cross-threading here) and that the French for partridge is perdrix (pehr-dree).

[musical notes (quavers)]


"And a partri-idge in a per-drix"
[musical notes (dotted crotchet and minim)]



Posted By: Angel Re: Brits buried in a canterbury library - 05/31/02 06:15 PM
I pronounce bury as berry
and
library as lie~brayer~ee with the middle sylable almost said like the 2 sylable prayer without the y in the middle. Make sense?

Posted By: nancyk Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 07:09 PM
isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row???

Not when it's pronounced to-marr-oh (like Annie does in the song).

Posted By: Faldage Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 07:14 PM
always pronounced

Not when

I don't think *any word in English is *ever always pronounced some particular way.

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 08:23 PM
I don't think *any word in English is *ever always pronounced some particular way

...unless it were recorded of course, Fal

Reminds me of a recording I heard of someone reading out the Canterbury Tales something like it would (supposedly) have been spoken in Chaucer's time. Great fun. All throat-clearing, burrring and trillling.


Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 05/31/02 08:42 PM
Posted By: FishonaBike Re: D'athy Duck - 05/31/02 08:58 PM
The only difference here between "Darth" and D'ath" is the glottal stop

Brilliant. That's made my day, Max.
[takes another gulp of Snake's Armpit, that world-famous extra strong brew]

[goes temporarily blind]

So is the "glottal stop" where Darth Vader goes [CLiCK] at the end of a breath?
[innocence]



Posted By: pjandq Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 09:11 PM
I took a class on Chaucer and one of our tests was to meet with the Professor and read a passage with the "proper" pronunciation.

foggy gardens
Posted By: FishonaBike Re: The pronunciation of bury - 05/31/02 09:36 PM
Chaucer tests..."proper" pronunciation.

Did this professor have any other sadistic tendencies then, pj ?

Although I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall.

Posted By: pjandq Re: The pronunciation of bury - 06/01/02 01:56 AM
Thank you, I always thought it a bit weird. But then I didn't do very well on the test. I remember he asked the class if anyone would be interested in taking a class in learning how to "speak" (I guess that would be the word) Middle Age English. Not one hand went up.

foggy gardens
Posted By: FishonaBike old tongues - 06/01/02 09:42 PM
how to "speak" (I guess that would be the word) Middle Age English

Well, it could actually be fun. Of course it would be a bit of a work of fiction, as would speaking Latin. You can never know exactly how the tongues would have sounded.

Perhaps we'd be surprised at the familiarity of certain sounds if we did have a time machine?




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