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Posted By: BranShea steampunk crossover - 02/21/11 08:00 PM
[steam + punk]
neologism : a sub-genre of speculative science fiction
set in an anachronistic 19th century society

"There is a new genre climbing to popularity within
the science fiction world of writing: steampunk. A
mix of Victorian times and futuristic [steam] machines
clash to create a unique world.."

I try to find the meaning of 'speculative' in this context.
Even if I were a true born native speaker I'm afraid I would not understand.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: steampunk crossover - 02/21/11 08:24 PM
speculative in this case means, "What would it have been like if these technologies and cultures had coexisted?"
Posted By: BranShea Re: steampunk crossover - 02/21/11 08:44 PM
Thank you Shrdlu, that makes sense, only I thought in Victorian times [steam] machines already existed.
Maybe I'm totally anachronistic myself.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 02/21/11 08:55 PM
have you seen the movie Wild Wild West?

they had a steam-powered tank, steam-powered airship, etc.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: steampunk crossover - 02/21/11 09:22 PM
as t mentions, it takes steam to a whole new level.
Posted By: Faldage Re: steampunk crossover - 02/22/11 12:23 AM
Not steam but I read not too long ago* a novel that took place in a Victorian England where Babbage had built and successfully marketed his difference engine. They were everywhere.

*Long ago that I don't remember the title or author.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 02/22/11 12:40 AM
The Difference Engine, by Gibson/Sterling? link
Posted By: Faldage Re: steampunk crossover - 02/22/11 01:00 AM
Amazon isn't being real dialup friendly right now, but that looks like it could be the one. It featured a rather different look in the division of the North American continent without any sort of explanation of whether it had any connection with the difference engine.
Posted By: BranShea Re: steampunk crossover - 02/22/11 09:39 PM
I've read some pages and somehow to me it evoques Winsor McCay's Little Nemo in novel form. Don't know if this is my steaming hot cup of the tea.
Those movies then look like action and gadgets. Thank you both for the info. I'm getting the picture.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 02/22/11 10:10 PM
Not my cup of tea, either. Moving things with no animus
are far from reality.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 03/06/11 04:27 PM
I'd say Welcome, but you have me confused.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 03/06/11 04:40 PM
yet another drive-by spammer, who must have grown impatient with his response time.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 03/06/11 05:06 PM
I reported him/her.
Posted By: Jackie Re: steampunk crossover - 03/07/11 03:59 AM
Okay--did I miss something?
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 03/07/11 04:31 AM
the spammer and posts are gone and gone.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 03/07/11 03:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Jackie
Okay--did I miss something?


And I doubt you would call it "missing", unless you
meant content and coherence.
Posted By: obihave Re: steampunk crossover - 03/28/11 11:39 PM
This reminds me of a comic I used to read called "Mr. Hero" The Newmatic Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hero_the_Newmatic_Man
Posted By: Candy Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 10:49 AM
First time I have heard of this
but
am I'm mistaken, it looks like one of the robot heads is sporting 'facial hair' crazy
Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 01:55 PM
Is 'The Golden Compass' considered Steam Punk?
Posted By: Tromboniator Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 10:20 PM
It has been quite a while since I read it, and I didn't think of it in that way at the time, but I would support the notion that it's at least borderline steampunk. Whether It's generally considered as such I couldn't say. I guess I'll have to re-read it.
Posted By: obihave Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 10:49 PM
So would steam-emo be like "The Little Engine That Couldn't"?
Posted By: Faldage Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 11:18 PM
The Golden Compass took place, mostly, or either basically, in our regular world. There were parallel universes but that's not the same thing as steam punk.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 11:35 PM
Golden Compass (the movie) is Steampunk, not Fantasy
Posted By: Tromboniator Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 11:36 PM
There are times when my memory is pathetic.
Posted By: Faldage Re: steampunk crossover - 03/29/11 11:46 PM


Never judge a book by its movie.
Posted By: garygnu Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 12:02 AM
My son just devoured Leviathan and Behemoth by, Scott Westerfeld. The conclusion to the Leviathan trilogy, Goliath, won't be out until September 2011...which annoys him. Does anyone have more Steampunk suggestions? He plays on the computer and PS3 a lot, so finding books to keep his interest was a real surprise.

Scott Westerfeld
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 12:18 AM
list of steampunk novels
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 12:19 AM
If it keeps kids reading, I'm for it.
Posted By: olly Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 01:27 AM
The league of extraordinary gentlemen has some elements of steampunk such as the nautilus adapted from captain Nemos submarine.
Posted By: Jackie Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 02:47 AM
gary--nice to see you again.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: steampunk crossover - 03/30/11 12:30 PM
I was going to mention the Oppel series, "Airborn", but I see it is t's WikiP list.
Posted By: garygnu Re: steampunk crossover - 04/01/11 07:02 PM
Thanks to all! smile The list will help, as I often feel overwhelmed in the book store.
Posted By: Candy Re: steampunk crossover - 04/05/11 11:09 AM
I have seen some of those stories, but the word 'steampunk' is new to me.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 04/05/11 03:16 PM
I spend time in comics' shops. The steampunk draws my
attention, but I stick to the old standbys from childhood.
Posted By: Candy Re: steampunk crossover - 04/06/11 01:15 PM
Like Batman and Robin smile

So is how did the name steampunk arise?
Posted By: tsuwm Re: steampunk crossover - 04/06/11 01:18 PM
the term steampunk originated in the late 1980s as a tongue in cheek variant of cyberpunk.
Posted By: Candy Re: steampunk crossover - 04/06/11 01:36 PM
Thanks for that Ts, I've read some of that massive article and will go back to it, maybe tomorrow. A bit of a oxymoron then. A modern, historical fiction! Steampunk is a catcher description.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 04/06/11 03:14 PM
Originally Posted By: Candy
Like Batman and Robin smile

So is how did the name steampunk arise?


Batman and Robin were around long before steampunk.
Posted By: Candy Re: steampunk crossover - 04/07/11 08:26 AM
true luke....but even they have been modernised.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: steampunk crossover - 04/07/11 03:46 PM
true
Posted By: bexter Re: steampunk crossover - 04/07/11 04:25 PM
OH! I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED THIS FOR A BORING LITERATURE THESIS!!! I love SF novels and you are talking about a great sub-genre (steampunk) here! You could try The Difference Engine or The Anubis Gates some Philip K Dick would probably not go amiss...hmmm you could use it as a springboard into other parts of SF - some comic/steampunk/general laugh at SF with Toby Frost's Space Captain Smith series, some Peter F Hamilton if you like the sciency bits with good characters, if you want any more PM me laugh
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