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Posted By: wsieber masterful - 03/13/10 08:03 PM
Can the word "masterful" be applied to a work of art, to compliment the perfect technique of the artist? (In the dictionaries, the word has also some negative connotations)
Posted By: tsuwm Re: masterful - 03/13/10 08:40 PM
why not? this is yet another example where one could quote ol' Humpty Dumpty.
-joe (meaning exactly what I mean) friday
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: masterful - 03/13/10 09:40 PM
Works for me. Try googling "masterful portrait" or "masterful watercolor" and see what you get. See A-H (link).
Posted By: tsuwm Re: masterful - 03/13/10 11:48 PM
jheem, I get a 999 error from that link.
Posted By: Faldage Re: masterful - 03/14/10 12:13 AM
Works for me.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: masterful - 03/14/10 12:23 AM
seems a masterly link here.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: masterful - 03/14/10 12:30 AM
MWCD comments: Some commentators insist that use of masterful should be limited to sense 1 in order to preserve a distinction between it and masterly. The distinction is a modern one, excogitated by a 20th century pundit in disregard of the history of the word. Both words developed in a parallel manner but the earlier sense of masterly, equivalent to masterful 1, dropped out of use. Since masterly had but one sense, the pundit opined that it would be tidy if masterful were likewise limited to one sense and he forthwith condemned use of masterful 2 as an error. Sense 2 of masterful, which is slightly older than the sense of masterly intended to replace it, has continued in reputable use all along; it cannot rationally be called an error. [see here for senses 1 and 2]
Posted By: BranShea Re: masterful - 03/14/10 08:59 AM
To compare it with artful:
ADJECTIVE:

1.Exhibiting art or skill: "The furniture is an artful blend of antiques and reproductions" (Michael W. Robbins).
2.Skillful in accomplishing a purpose, especially by the use of cunning or craft.
3.Artificial.

Here negative meaning came in by degree.
Posted By: wsieber Re: masterful - 03/14/10 10:03 AM
Thank you for unearthing this interesting history !
Posted By: wsieber Re: masterful - 03/14/10 10:26 AM
Here negative meaning came in by degree - e.g. Dickens' Artful Dodger..
Posted By: Faldage Re: masterful - 03/14/10 10:53 AM
Originally Posted By: tsuwm
MWCD comments: [color:#339999]Since masterly had but one sense, the pundit opined that it would be tidy if masterful were likewise limited to one sense and he forthwith condemned use of masterful 2 as an error.


Tidy?! Tidy?!?! We are not talking about "tidy" here, m'sieur! We are talking about language!
Posted By: vanguard Re: masterful - 03/16/10 06:19 PM
Indeed, "tidy" exists as a part of the language, but its attributes do not obtain to language.
Posted By: Faldage Re: masterful - 03/17/10 10:19 AM
Exactly. This is just the same reasoning that gave us that split infinitive monstrosity. There was never a prohibition against splitting infinitives in English, either in normal speech or in the writing of good writers. Then some guy came along and said he didn't think it was very tidy and he didn't like it and suddenly every rabid prescriptivist is saying anyone who splits infinitives is an ignorant lout who should be shunned by all right-thinking individuals. The good folk at Language Log refer to these things as "zombie rules" because of their ability to keep going no matter how many stakes are driven through their hearts.
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