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Posted By: rishi Request for a word - 12/21/09 02:59 PM

Help! What is the word for a living organism that can survive only within very narrow environmental parameters?
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/21/09 05:42 PM
Unless ri you've already been there, if you're very patient you might find it here:

http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Request for a word - 12/21/09 05:58 PM
dale, this is the sort of thing I meant when I stated that I see this kind of 'link' in many of your posts; i.e., whenever you insert one of these reverse dictionary things it never gets changed to a hot link. again, you need to follow the process that eta has given you.

and no, I don't know why a *second link automagically gets transposed for you.

but let's try something else to get you off your dime. when you reply to a post, you should be seeing a post [entry] box with a row of icons along the top of it. if you click on the the second icon, the one right next to the *smiley* [it's labeled Create a link to a webpage], you get an entry area for pasting your URL - you should paste it in right over the highlighted text [not next to it, you need to replace what's already there!]. then, when you click the OK button, you get another entry area where you can give your link a name (what eta called "something", but you can call it *anything*.
and now, when you click OK, you can finish editing your post, click the Submit button down at the bottom, and your link will automagically appear, in your post, as a hot link labeled "whatever you named it above".

-joe (I don't suppose this helped at all) friday
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Request for a word - 12/21/09 06:04 PM
Are you referring to animals like the Pompeii worm that inhabit extreme ecological niches? It could be the word you're looking for is extremophile. If you peruse the Wikpedia article, you'll find many sub-categorizations of extremophiles.
Posted By: Jackie Re: Request for a word - 12/22/09 02:02 AM
extremophile Wow, what a cool word! Thanks, rishi for asking and zmjezhd for answering! Extremophile...lovely-tasting word.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Request for a word - 12/22/09 08:14 PM
That whole article is pretty cool. Many good looking words for the different types of extremophiles and the part about astrobiology. Is there a word for someone who loves extremophiles?
Posted By: Jackie Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 01:49 AM
Extremophilephile? wink
Posted By: BranShea Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 07:34 AM
jajaja, and what do you become when you fall in love with an Extremophilephile?
merry Xmas Jackie.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 07:19 PM
Ok tsu you're absolutely right and so for Jackie

[url=Jackie]Wordsmith Talk[/url] [url=For Jackie][/url] http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment

Well as you can see tsu it didn't work. After I entered "For Jackie," I got a new request, something I hadn't encountered before:

Now enter the title of the webpage you are linking to.

I have not the foggiest notiion what a Web Page Title is so I entered the title of this web page, namely "Wordsmith Talk," but that app[arently didnt do the trick either

The entire operation is getting too complex for an old fart like me. If you have any power whatever with Admin and if it's within their purview, you might suggest that if possible when the software is next updated it include a means as I had noted earlier as in other boards of this sort to recognize a url and autmatically adapt it to link form. But again thank you for your patience

Incidentally the url mess reminds me strongly of the "[/Quote]" turmoil I complained hereabout in which I lamented the problem of distinguishing one's reply from a quotation, especially with the quote within a quote within another

..whereupon a helpful contributor posted a 3000-word rundown on the use of this board feature. Though I'm sure his contribution was entirely accurate I believe he was being facetious

But wait: I recall first time not having entered the Web Page and so that must be the reason Mac entered Jackie's ref twice and this is what's "wrong"; so let me try once more

[url=for Jackie]Wordsmith Talk[/url] http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment

Nah sorry, that didn't work either

But whoa It just occurred to me that what Mac wanted me to to was to enter the entire url in the first box, then Jackie must be what he wants for the Web Page Title; let me try it

jackie http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment

Ok that didn't work either

But as I said somewhere else, none of this sort of turmoil should be necessary. The software should entirely automatically have recognized it as a url, fixed it up to suit, then replaced it in link form when I struck "submit". I thought Bill was bad but in cases like this apparently Mac hasn't made things much easier

Sorry guys, there's not much hope and so again my apologies while I cordially invite all you guys to give up on me. I may quit this sort of thing altogether, go back to writing books about The Problems of Youth and The Purpose of Creation
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 07:39 PM
from the FAQS:

Links
[email] joe@email.com [/email] = Makes the given email address clickable.
[email: joe@email.com ] text [/email] = Makes the given email address clickable.
[url= link ] link [/url] = Makes the given url into a link.
[url= link ] title [/url] = Makes the given title into a hyperlink pointing to link.
[img] link [/img] = Embeds an image.

ergo:

[url= THIS IS WHERE THE HTTP STUFF GOES ]
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 08:09 PM
Buff thank you for that. I shall copy it to Word, print it, stick it up beside my PC, then when I can work up the courage and have an entire day to spare, attempt its application to a URL. Again thank you most kindly
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/23/09 08:27 PM
Whoa again! The last attempt in my last post actually worked in the final product but at first I didn't recognize the "jackie" as the actual link because for years if not decades in other boards where I've had to post a link, the url was underlined in blue--or is that purple--

----So it turns out after all that "Web Page Title" really means "Insert desired title for link to url identified to the right in black". Perhaps I wouldn't have traversed so many worthless circles if I had spent more time reading and attempting to understand all you guys' helpful contributions, I'm just too impatient

But "Web Page Title" seems to me misleading, sound like it should be a title at the top of a Web page, but who am I

Thanks again guys but again shouldn't all this sturm und drang in linkuifying a url be done automatically by board software

Admin where are you
Posted By: Jackie Re: Request for a word - 12/24/09 03:00 AM
Well, this admin. is here, but I have nothing to do with setting up.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/24/09 06:26 PM
Jackie it's all right, AWAD actually works well, I'm a compulsive fault-finder
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/25/09 06:03 PM
[url= link ] link [/url] = Makes the given url into a link.--Buff

Aha, let me try it

[url= link ]http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment[/url]


Posted By: dalehileman Re: Request for a word - 12/25/09 06:19 PM
[url= link ] link [/url] = Makes the given url into a link--Buff

Aha let me try it

[http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment= link ] link [/http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment]

Well Buff it required 11 keystrokes but didn't work as you can see. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of some sort, where you and I, through no fault of your own, don't mean exactly the same things by "url" and "link"
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: wasting my time - 12/25/09 06:45 PM
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of some sort, where you and I, through no fault of your own, don't mean exactly the same things by "url" and "link"

You really shouldn't try to use the InterWeb, dahil. It's arcane protocols and quotidian mungings are beyond your ken.

[ url= link ] title [ /url ]

The text in red are keywords and stay as they are written. The text in Green get replaced by the URL, link, or resource locator. The text in blue is the text of the hyperlink itself. For example:

[ url= http://www.example.com/rtfm.html ] Something short and pithy. [ /url ]

With all the spaces removed between square brackets and keywords, etc.

Something short and pithy.

Not that this will help ...


Posted By: tsuwm wasting my time to the nth degree - 12/25/09 07:34 PM
Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of some sort, where you and I, through no fault of your own, don't mean exactly the same things by "url" and "link"

You really shouldn't try to use the InterWeb, dahil. It's arcane protocols and quotidian mungings are beyond your ken.

[ url= link ] title [ /url ]

The text in red are keywords and stay as they are written. The text in Green get replaced by the URL, link, or resource locator. The text in blue is the text of the hyperlink itself. For example:

[ url= http://www.example.com/rtfm.html ] Something short and pithy. [ /url ]

With all the spaces removed between square brackets and keywords, etc.

Something short and pithy.

Not that this will help ...




and again, using the 'Create a link to a webpage' button..

step 0: copy the URL/link that you wish to display
step 1: reply to some post [d'oh!]; enter some explanatory text
step 2: click the Create a link.. button
step 3: CTRL-v, click OK [nothing else, before or after, just..]
step 4: type in your title OR CTRL-v, click OK
step 5: (optional) type in some more commentary

this has the effect of [ url= link ] title [ /url ]
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: wasting my time to the nth degree - 12/26/09 04:03 AM
again

You know, he does this on purpose. He has admitted as much when Eta pushed him on it. Nothing we say or do can change that.
Posted By: Faldage Re: wasting my time to the nth degree - 12/26/09 12:12 PM
We could always go back to the original question. It seems to me that extremophile isn't quite the right answer. It refers to an organism that requires environmental conditions far out side the range of normal but not necessarily a narrow range of conditions. Even if a given extremophile requires a narrow range of conditions, that's an additional factor and not the one that merits it the designation extremophile.
Posted By: tsuwm more fun with links - 12/26/09 01:27 PM
>You know, he does this on purpose.

I know; but I have no life either.

on a related note, I had a nightmare las...hing like this.

this gave me the idea (poor me) of making a link to this post with 'link' colorized, bolded, and underlined so that it would appear in a manner consistent with dal's expectations.

eheu! <--yet another futile attempt to get back to a word topic.

-joe (contravivulations are my life) friday
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 02:40 PM
We could always go back to the original question.

Whatever for? Maybs that's as why as I hasked him to clarify. Could be that specialist species (link) is what all y'all're looking for.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 07:00 PM

Step 0: http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 07:10 PM
Step 3: RTFM!
Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 07:28 PM
As you can see it sort of worked, except for the extraneous "Step 0". My mistakes were (a) not realizing zm had omitted a couple of steps, apparently thinking they were was so obvious he didn't need to, and had included a step which as you will see I didn't need. I had apparently forgotten to to hit "submit" then "edit" because otherwise you don't get the editing icons and (b) identifying each step, which apparently interferes with the process. So now I shall submit then follow tsu's intructions once more:

Explanatory text http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment

Aha now I'm beginning to catch on. Remember my original goal was to produce a link having the appearance of a url, that is, an address; and indeed that's just what I got above, except for "Explanatory text" which I didn't need.

An Aha moment: I'll do it again but this time I won't enter any explanatory text:

http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment

Big Aha! finally I'm there. But my god, what an awful lot of steps for something that in other boards is 100 % automatic

....but thanks again to all you guys for your boundless patience


Posted By: tsuwm Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 08:20 PM
http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=survival+requires+specific+environment [not a link]

ok then, dal; now a question for *you..

why do you want to have such a monstrosity, which tells me nothing other than I'm about to be taken to onelook (and possibly the search string if I know how the reverse lookup at onelook works), when you could simply put "link" or even "link to onelook"?

now, before you unthinkingly fire off your "so the reader will know where he's about to be whisked away to", consider the following carefully (or as noted above, RTFM), IF YOU MOUSE OVER ANY HOT LINK YOU GET THE LINK ADDRESS DISPLAYED ON YOUR BROWSER'S STATUS BAR! [apologies for the shouting to other readers]

Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 08:39 PM
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why do you want to have such a monstrosity,.......when you could simply put "link" or even "link to onelook"?


I don't exactly understand the question. Among other things besides the name of the board it tells you a suggested word combination

Quote:
IF YOU MOUSE OVER ANY HOT LINK YOU GET THE LINK ADDRESS DISPLAYED ON YOUR BROWSER'S STATUS BAR!


I tried a couple but nothing happened. Does "mouse over" mean "highlight"
Posted By: tsuwm Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 08:57 PM
>Does "mouse over" mean "highlight"

no. can you scroll up in this thread so that your link and my identical non-link both show?

if so, then you'll be able to move (don't click) your mouse pointer over one and then the other. note the difference in the results.

most browsers give you a status bar at the bottom of your browser window. when you mouse over a link/url (that is, move your mouse pointer over the link title), you should see something happen to the pointer and additionally see something happen inside the status bar. when you do the same over my identical string (except for its not being a hot link) none of the above happens.

[this status bar may be an optional display, but I leave it on for I may want to know where all of the hot links are going to take me; e.g., many of the external links given in wikipedia articles have a text title rather than a URL address for the hot links.]
Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 09:16 PM
Aha. I just consulted with my No. 1 Son who showed me exactly that. So I've learned something today

I note this trick works with some links but not others. In spite of his expertise, however, he says he doesn't know exactly where that text in the yellow box comes from. Also i'm not cleear what's the difference between a hot link and a cold one. Can I conclude that the cold one is black and non-clickable where the hot one is of course in color and clickable

Edited to add my No. 2 Son explains that the little box only appears only with a link to a post within the same site

Although he's much more versed at this kind of thing than I (nearly anyone else is) he also doesn't know what it is that makes a link hot so I looked it up--

Inline linking (also known as hotlinking, leeching, piggy-backing, direct linking, offsite image grabs and bandwidth theft) is the use of a linked object, often an image, from one site into a web page belonging to a second site. The second site is said to have an inline link to the site where the object is located.

Can I conclude then that a hot link is a means of linking to a specific post or passage at a different site whereas a cold link is merely a link to the address of that site
Posted By: tsuwm Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 09:49 PM
I use "hot link" simply to mean clickable; my copy of your URL address above is not clickable. (I think the term actually means something else to webocrats, having to do with "hot" as in illicitly used.)

in light of this, there's no such thing as a "cold link".

>the little box only appears only with a link to a post within the same site

huh? which browser are you using? with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Safari all active/hot links are duly displayed in the status bar. (and also IE, which I don't normally use.) specifically, the OneLook links above have this property.

as we're losing context with distance, here are two links

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_here
2) click here

both of these should display on the status bar
Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 09:58 PM
".....all active/hot links are duly displayed in the status bar."

One of our favorite visitors just walked in, a long time expert in all kinds of software and algorithm. The strip across the top in Safari is apparently called "bookmarks" so therein lies all the confusion abut what's meant by a "hot link"

tsu agin my gratitude for your incredible patience
Posted By: tsuwm Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/26/09 10:41 PM
dal, you may find this article to be of interest (or not): link

Posted By: zmjezhd Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/27/09 12:15 AM
I omitted no step. I did not use the fancy editor because I didn't need one, plus I forgot to mention that you should breath occsionally or might asphyxiate.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/27/09 12:19 AM
e.g., many of the external links given in wikipedia articles have a text title rather than a URL address for the hot links.

Those external links in wikipedia also have a cute little icon that let's you know that they'll whisk you offsite. It's to the right of the hyperlink, superscripted, and is basically a little square box with an arrow pointing to the upper right-hand corner.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 12:27 AM
One of our favorite visitors just walked in,

If you listen you can hear the pistol being fired when Dahil taxes this guy's patience and he shoots himself rather like an animal in a spring trap will chew its leg off to get free. As for "hot links" everybody knows those the second type of serving one orders in a two- or three-way combo of ribs.

a long time expert in all kinds of software and algorithm.

Thank you for misusing the word algorithm again before the year is over. Too bad you couldn't wait until tomorrow when you could have ticked me off on my birthday. You are a natural treasure of huge annoyances. Also, you forgot the pluralizing -s. Of course, knowing how your sick little troll brain works, you probably did that on purpose to try to drag some innocent peevologist into the flame war.
Posted By: BranShea Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 03:42 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you then. And I know it is a presumptuous request/proposition, but couldn't there at least be a temporary banishment of the word LINK tired An Urly hibernation?
Posted By: tsuwm Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 04:03 PM
feeling a bit surly and knurly this morning afternoon, Bran?
Sure thing, Branshea. You'll read no more lynx from moi.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: waist deep in toxic waste - 12/27/09 05:51 PM
Originally Posted By: tsuwm
dal, you may find this article to be of interest (or not): link

tsu thank you most kindly for that link, which I've copied and shall read with great interest as you have seen I'm somewhat lacking in Web-PC vocabulary
Posted By: dalehileman Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 06:05 PM
Poster: zmjezhd
Subject: Re: muddy icksmush to oil

One of our favorite visitors just walked in, a long time expert in all kinds of software and algorithm.

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If you listen you can hear the pistol being fired.......As for "hot links" ....... in a two- or three-way combo of ribs.

Actually he survived preparing most excellent prime rib for our Xmas dinner


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Thank you for misusing the word algorithm again before the year is over.
You're most welcome

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Too bad you couldn't wait until tomorrow when you could have ticked me off on my birthday.
Happy birthday

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You are a natural treasure of huge annoyances.
Why, thank you

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Also, you forgot the pluralizing -s.
Ohmigod

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Of course, knowing how your sick little troll brain works, you probably did that on purpose to try to drag some innocent peevologist into the flame war.
Now, whom might that be
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 06:24 PM
Now, whom might that be[?]

I had R H Fiske, the cranky grammatohooligan or his ilk, in mind when I posted.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: muddy icksmush to oil - 12/27/09 07:01 PM
good lord, we've created a [sc. yet another] "monster"!
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: outage at Uitiky - 12/27/09 07:12 PM
"monster"!

The speed up with which in full dahil came, would lead one more cynical than I to opine that he never had a problem with links (sorry, branshea!) or URLs or any of the other things with which he professed difficulties. Either that or he had his dahilbot algorithms upgraded by MacBill for Xmas. Of course it could be that he just wandered out into the snow to lie down, and a homeless mortgage broker sneaked into his condo and fell asleep on the keyboard which then randomly typed out his massive missive in between acts from Hamlet. But, I digress.
Posted By: Jackie Re: outage at Uitiky - 12/27/09 10:08 PM
zmjezhd, quit monkeying around!
Posted By: BranShea Re: outage at Uitiky - 12/28/09 02:23 PM
Thanks zmjezhd for these refreshing seven monkey lines after pages and pages of Dalepics. Everybody who needs help can ask for it by PM and everyone can practise links by using the Previeuw Post facility.
If it looks wrong, don't submit it. If you can't distinguish right from wrong don't link/Url at all.
Posted By: Zed Re: wasting my time - 12/29/09 07:10 AM
Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of some sort, where you and I, through no fault of your own, don't mean exactly the same things by "url" and "link"

You really shouldn't try to use the InterWeb, dahil. It's arcane protocols and quotidian mungings are beyond your ken.

[ url= link ] title [ /url ]



The text in red are keywords and stay as they are written. The text in Green get replaced by the URL, link, or resource locator. The text in blue is the text of the hyperlink itself. For example:

[ url= http://www.example.com/rtfm.html ] Something short and pithy. [ /url ]

With all the spaces removed between square brackets and keywords, etc.

Something short and pithy.

Not that this will help ...




Thank you zmjezhd.
This is the best short simple explanation I have seen and I have it tucked away for the next time I do this. I have often told my students that any instructions they put up for other professions on positioning patients etc should be just detailed enough to insult their intelligence. That way you don't leave out any steps that are automatic to you and not to others.
I am not unintelligent but I don't think like computers or computer programmers so things that others find simple on computers I often find very difficult. Crafts such as stained glass or beadwork I catch onto very quickly; the process sometimes seems so obvious that I wonder why others would need to ask questions. On the other hand I have learned not to ask questions about "simple" computer tasks because I can seldom understand the answers.
E.g. on another board I spent days - well evenings trying to change my avatar. Several people told me how easy it was and gave me careful step by step instructions that didn't work. Eventually one very nice person figured out that (so ridiculously obvious to everyone else that they never thought to say it) I needed to make the picture into a thumbnail (very small picture) first and did so and posted it for me. It will need to be my avatar forever because I have no idea how to make a picture into a thumbnail.
If anyone insists on explaining this presumably incredibly simple process to me PLEASE do so by PM so that a) others are not subjected to a conversation like the above and b) when it doesn't work I don't look quite so foolish in public.

edited to add this



ta dah!


Posted By: Faldage Re: wasting my time - 12/29/09 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Zed

edited to add this




I love that xkcd. Probably the most succinct punchline in the history of on-line comics.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: wasting my time - 12/29/09 02:18 PM
Thank you

You're welcome, Zed. I am currently editing (and writing) internal documentation for our programmers. They are generating (a better word than writing) the content, and I go through testing it and correcting and adding all bits they left out. As you say, because it is so familiar to them, they leave out a lot.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: wasting my time - 12/29/09 06:24 PM
"Thank you zmjezhd.
This is the best short simple explanation I have seen and I have it tucked away ...."

I totally agree with Zed that zm's instruction was one of the simplest and most straightforward instructions and as an utter tyro I also have duly tucked it away for handy access

" I am not unintelligent but I don't think like computers or computer programmers so things that others find simple on computers I often find very difficult. Crafts such as stained glass or beadwork I catch onto very quickly...."

I'm an inventor and (at least used to consider myself) a writer, crack shot with .22 revolver, and passable critic of hundreds of imported and domestic brews, but when it comes to distinguishing a hot crawling url hyperlink from a cold source target anchor, I am at a total loss

Yet from time to time after posting what I consider the most innocent response I am mercilessly attacked from all quarters, eventually becoming a sort of pariah among the notables

I have to admit however that my feeble attempts at humor are often in many quarters interpreted as facetious and so I appeal to all for forgiveness and once again resolve at the advent of the NY to mend my ways

Incidentally on the positive side since I am so often blessed with afterthoughts , my sincere gratitude for the AWAD facility to forgo the "Mark as edited"

Thank you for AWAD

Yet where is everyone else, and why
Posted By: BranShea Re: wasting my time - 12/29/09 11:15 PM
Your this is such a funny one. very good.

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