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Posted By: dalehileman Not "majority" - 02/26/09 04:33 PM
A correspondent in India asks, respecting race what is the opposite of "minority", a really good Q thought I, and when I presented it to Laverne, who is far brighter than me, she didn't have a ready answer either. A quick check with Thesaurus.com and Google wasn't of much help but then I am lazy and besides spend too much time screen sucking
Posted By: Faldage Re: Not "majority" - 02/27/09 12:50 AM
Why not "majority"?
Posted By: Avyy Re: Not "majority" - 02/27/09 03:04 AM
'Cause majority is minority.
Posted By: Zed Re: Not "majority" - 02/27/09 05:14 AM
Majority would work for a vote situation (the majority voted for Dumbledore) but in terms of race sounds a bit odd. Perhaps the phrase predominant race?
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Not "majority" - 02/27/09 05:24 PM
Originally Posted By: Faldage
Why not "majority"?


Looking for term specific to race or the like as Zed muses above
Posted By: Faldage Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 12:00 AM
Minority isn't a term specific to race. Why worry that majority isn't?
Posted By: BranShea Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 10:30 AM
I thougth of the idiomatic expression "silent majority". Nothing to do with ethnic groups, but meaning those who live life either in peace or sorrow, but not making any scandal about it.

Also interpretable as a majority that stays silent when minorities are ill used, deported or massacred.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 05:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Faldage
Minority isn't a term specific to race. Why worry that majority isn't?


Fal not exactly worried, just thought there might be a better term
Posted By: Faldage Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 06:30 PM
OK, how about "white"?
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 07:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Faldage
OK, how about "white"?


Too specific; a more general term might apply to blacks in another venue for instance where whites are in the minority
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 09:51 PM
I thought the crux of the question involved the fact that, when there are many possible options within a category, a situation may arise where no single option has more than 50%. ie a population separated along racial lines might have...

40% blue
25% pink
20% purple
15% green

The blue people might have the largest number, but they would not be called the majority, would they? I would say they're the largest minority, but I was hoping someone would have a sexy term to encompass that concept.
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 10:03 PM
Originally Posted By: BranShea
I thought of the idiomatic expression "silent majority". Nothing to do with ethnic groups, but meaning those who live life either in peace or sorrow, but not making any scandal about it.
Also interpretable as a majority that stays silent when minorities are ill used, deported or massacred.


Neither of these are my understanding of the expression. Or, maybe, these are particular situations where the term can be used, but the definition is more general. To me it refers to that part of the populace who are not socially vocal / politically active / seen to be "involved" / etc on any particular issue, yet they far outnumber their opposites (the "vocal minority"). I hear it most in political discussions. For example, the vocal minority makes a lot of noise about green living / vegan eating / recycling yet the silent majority continues to throw their burger wrappers out of the windows of their Hummers.
Posted By: latishya Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 10:06 PM
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
I thought the crux of the question involved the fact that, when there are many possible options within a category, a situation may arise where no single option has more than 50%. ie a population separated along racial lines might have...

40% blue
25% pink
20% purple
15% green

The blue people might have the largest number, but they would not be called the majority, would they? I would say they're the largest minority, but I was hoping someone would have a sexy term to encompass that concept.


I thought "plurality" was used in this context?
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 10:09 PM
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I thought "plurality" was used in this context?



Plurality would refer to the fact there are more than two options, but would it define the position that the blue people hold as the most numerous?

Apparently it would. smile
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Not "majority" - 02/28/09 10:09 PM
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
I thought the crux of the question involved the fact that, when there are many possible options within a category, a situation may arise where no single option has more than 50%. ie a population separated along racial lines might have...

40% blue
25% pink
20% purple
15% green

The blue people might have the largest number, but they would not be called the majority, would they? I would say they're the largest minority, but I was hoping someone would have a sexy term to encompass that concept.


doc, in this example the blue people are are a plurality.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Silent majority - 03/01/09 02:49 AM
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
To me it refers to that part of the populace who are not socially vocal / politically active / seen to be "involved" / etc on any particular issue, yet they far outnumber their opposites (the "vocal minority"). I hear it most in political discussions. For example, the vocal minority makes a lot of noise about green living / vegan eating / recycling yet the silent majority continues to throw their burger wrappers out of the windows of their Hummers.


As far as I know the term was first used by Nixon and his minions to serve as an excuse for their policies. By being silent they allowed their voices to be taken over by others.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Silent majority - 03/01/09 01:14 PM
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
To me it refers to that part of the populace who are not socially vocal / politically active / seen to be "involved" / etc on any particular issue, yet they far outnumber their opposites (the "vocal minority"). I hear it most in political discussions. For example, the vocal minority makes a lot of noise about green living / vegan eating / recycling yet the silent majority continues to throw their burger wrappers out of the windows of their Hummers.


Doesn't this do injuste to large parts of the silent majority who just behave decently?
Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Silent majority - 03/01/09 09:57 PM
Originally Posted By: BranShea
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
To me it refers to that part of the populace who are not socially vocal / politically active / seen to be "involved" / etc on any particular issue, yet they far outnumber their opposites (the "vocal minority"). I hear it most in political discussions. For example, the vocal minority makes a lot of noise about green living / vegan eating / recycling yet the silent majority continues to throw their burger wrappers out of the windows of their Hummers.


Doesn't this do injuste to large parts of the silent majority who just behave decently?


Probably, but I was trying to provide an example. I was not trying to imply they do the wrong thing, but rather they do / believe the "norm" even though the ab-norm is more promoted. Or something like that.
Posted By: PastorVon Re: Not "majority" - 03/01/09 11:39 PM
Originally Posted By: latishya
Originally Posted By: doc_comfort
I thought the crux of the question involved the fact that, when there are many possible options within a category, a situation may arise where no single option has more than 50%. ie a population separated along racial lines might have...

40% blue
25% pink
20% purple
15% green

The blue people might have the largest number, but they would not be called the majority, would they? I would say they're the largest minority, but I was hoping someone would have a sexy term to encompass that concept.


I thought "plurality" was used in this context?



It depends on the context. It is a plurality in the context of voting, as for example in a parliament, or an election. However, in a statistical context, it would be proper to call the largest number (or largest percentage) a majority.

In my American English dictionary, "majority" is the third definition for "plurality."
Posted By: Avyy Re: Not "majority" - 03/02/09 01:56 AM
Originally Posted By: BranShea
I thougth of the idiomatic expression "silent majority". Nothing to do with ethnic groups, but meaning those who live life either in peace or sorrow, but not making any scandal about it.

Also interpretable as a majority that stays silent when minorities are ill used, deported or massacred.


Or those that are forced to be silent through political pressure and vulnerability.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Not "majority" - 03/02/09 03:19 PM
Right.
Posted By: PastorVon Re: Not "majority" - 03/02/09 04:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Avyy
Originally Posted By: BranShea
I thougth of the idiomatic expression "silent majority". Nothing to do with ethnic groups, but meaning those who live life either in peace or sorrow, but not making any scandal about it.

Also interpretable as a majority that stays silent when minorities are ill used, deported or massacred.


Or those that are forced to be silent through political pressure and vulnerability.


I don't know what happened to my previous attempt to reply. If a very truncated msg shows up --- SORRY!

And, now to the intended reply.

After only a little more than a month in office, the Obama Administration is supporting a bill in the US Senate that would strip American workers of the right to a secret ballot in union elections via the falsely-named Employee Free Choice Act. Just one small step toward totalitarianism.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Not "majority" - 03/02/09 04:43 PM
ixnay on the oliticspay.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: Not "majority" - 03/06/09 07:08 PM
Well so far I like "plurality" better than "majority" though I'm beginning to think there's no term for what I imagine. Could I suggest as a contender "The Establishment"
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