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Posted By: Bohemian_Cur "We need not - 07/09/07 01:07 AM
limit ourselves...." or "We need not to limit ourselves...."

Concerning sentences similar to these, which is correct?
Posted By: Jackie Re: "We need not - 07/09/07 02:44 PM
No to.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: "We need not - 07/09/07 03:29 PM
Need is a strange little modal verb. "We need not go", yet "we don't need to go." Other modals (could, would, should, etc) are much more clear-cut. That's not much of an explanation, just an observation.
Posted By: Zed Re: "We need not - 07/09/07 07:43 PM
Took me a minute to see which to you referred to Jackie.
Posted By: Jackie Re: "We need not - 07/10/07 04:03 PM
Took me a minute to see which to you referred to Jackie. Talk about your clear-cut statements! (Man, these smileys are weird-looking!)
Posted By: Faldage Re: "We need not - 07/11/07 10:25 AM
The problem is in the ignorant English-language assumption that the infinitive is always of the form "to base verb form" unlike other closely related languages where there is a distinct infinitive form. In BC's example the limit is an infinitive and, as Jackie stated, doesn't need the "to".
Posted By: wsieber Re: "We need not - 07/11/07 03:15 PM
limit is an infinitive and, as Jackie stated, doesn't need the "to".
But what do you make with a sentence like: We wouldn't have needed to limit ourselves.. ? "limit" is infinitive here as well, or isn't it?
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: "We need not - 07/11/07 03:46 PM
Yes, it's an infinitive. Like I said, *ahem* -- need is a modal exception that sometimes takes the to form of the infinitive and sometimes doesn't. It may indeed be the only one. I'll try to find a link to an expert who can explain it better than I, unless Nuncle Z decides to take on the mission...
Posted By: Jackie Re: "We need not - 07/12/07 02:00 AM
Well I certainly need (to have) an expert. I know these are correct, but I sure couldn't say why:

We need to limit ourselves.
We don't need to limit ourselves.
We need not limit ourselves.
We have to limit ourselves.
We don't have to limit ourselves.
We must limit ourselves.
We must not limit ourselves.
Posted By: Faldage Re: "We need not - 07/12/07 10:35 AM
"We need limit ourselves" would also be standard, but not in many USn dialects.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: "We need not - 07/12/07 11:46 AM
And then there's "We must needs limit ourselves"...
Posted By: musick Cross harrying - 07/15/07 03:10 AM
A man's got to know his limitations.
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