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Posted By: Bohemian_Cur Darwin is. - 07/05/07 03:32 AM
Why cannot existence--"to be"--alone suffice as a sentence predicate? I find it logical enough.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/05/07 09:44 AM
When it is used it is generally with an implied predicate, e.g.:

Quote:
Who's going to the park with me?

I am.


Logical it might be but all by itself it seems a little bare and doesn't satisfy the demands of the Ding-an-sich English as opposed to the English imagined by those who would veto the common use if it doesn't match their idealized image of what it should be..
Posted By: Jackie Re: Darwin is. - 07/05/07 04:00 PM
What about something like, "Mankind's purpose is to be (live/exist)"?
Posted By: wsieber Re: Darwin is. - 07/05/07 06:07 PM
Because people nowadays refuse to be succinct like Descartes with his cogito ergo sum - or by the way, Shakespeare's to be or not to be..
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/05/07 07:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Jackie
What about something like, "Mankind's purpose is to be (live/exist)"?


Even there, to be is acting as the predicate of the is.
Posted By: Hydra Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 01:43 AM
Quote:
Chesterton's writings consistently displayed wit and a sense of humour. He employed paradox, while making serious comments on the world, government, politics, economics, philosophy, theology and many other topics. When The Times invited several eminent authors to write essays on the theme "What's Wrong with the World?" Chesterton's contribution took the form of a letter:

Dear Sirs,

I am.

Sincerely yours,

G. K. Chesterton
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 10:33 AM
Originally Posted By: GKChesterton

I am.


Given the context, this is not a simple "I am." It fits more in the category of my original comment as a statement with an implied predicate. Given Chesterton's wit it can also be seen as a reference to the standard form of the letter sign-off, e.g.,

I remain,
Sincerely yours

Faldage of Fong
Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 12:16 PM
Faldage, I disagree.

In the first case, "I am." has the implied predicate "going to park with you."

In the GKC case, "I am" is short for "I exist." Of course he's saying more than that. Seems clear he was commenting on the experiences of alienation, subjugation, and depersonalization induced by the industrial revolution - the same experiences that provoked the dystopic "Metropolis."

"I AM!" or "I EXIST!" or "*I* exist!" "I am a person, dammit, an individual - not an automaton, not a group of holes punched on a Hollerith card, or a cog in the grand machine, but a human being!"

In this case, I see the implied paragraph, but I don't see the implied predicate.
Posted By: wsieber Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 01:00 PM
It fits more in the category of my original comment as a statement with an implied predicate. Sorry, but I think you are way out on a limb this time
Posted By: Maven Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 02:39 PM
In response to what's wrong with the world, he declares he exists? That doesn't follow either his sense of humor or logic. I've always read that as a response--What's wrong with the world? I am. Similar to saying "I'm the guy/gal your mother warned you about." That's more in keeping with his wry wit.
Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 04:53 PM
I'll buy that.
Posted By: Zed Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 07:50 PM
I'm with Maven on that one.
Posted By: nancyk Re: Darwin is. - 07/12/07 10:59 PM
I agree: I am [what's wrong with the world].
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/13/07 12:16 AM
Which is basically what I was saying.
Posted By: Hydra Re: Darwin is. - 07/13/07 07:02 AM
Okay, I got two more.

1. One of the thousands of names with which Kabbalists refer to God is the "I Am", or the Great, "I Am that I Am" (granted, this is a noun phrase, however...)

2. A conceptual artist in the 1970s (whose name eludes me) was known for his producing various sculptures of the three letters I AM. This was what art for him was... a primitive, primordial affirmation of existence.


Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/13/07 10:20 AM
I'm not saying that there aren't times when the simple <subj> <verb to be> is used. It's just got to be a very special case. The standard way of handling the situation is with a <there> <to be> <noun phrase> construction. E.g., "There was a Charles Darwin."
Posted By: themilum Re: Darwin is. - 07/13/07 12:07 PM
Originally Posted By: wsieber
Because people nowadays refuse to be succinct like Descartes with his cogito ergo sum - or by the way, Shakespeare's to be or not to be..


This thread, doc, is better described as Much Ado About Nothing.

What is a predicate? A "predicate" is a word construction that aids in understanding syntax. Period. End-of-story. Finis.

What? You all think otherwize?
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/13/07 11:20 PM
Originally Posted By: themilum
A "predicate" is a word construction that aids in understanding syntax.


Well, that certainly narrows it down.
Posted By: themilum Re: Darwin is. - 07/14/07 03:45 AM
Originally Posted By: Faldage
Originally Posted By: themilum
A "predicate" is a word construction that aids in understanding syntax.


Well, that certainly narrows it down.


How snide. Answer the point!

Do you really think that there is a silly-butt "predicate" that somehow determines how we should speak so as to more accurately transmit information about our doings within our environment?

Well then! I have four acres of mountainside to sell where you can build a nice swanp and then collect lots and lots of wetland money from your yippie-dippie-hippie Government.

Strange days indeed.
Posted By: olly Re: Darwin is. - 07/14/07 03:50 AM
Originally Posted By: Hydra

2. A conceptual artist in the 1970s (whose name eludes me)


Colin Mcahon? Also a painter. A kiwi bloke.
Posted By: wsieber Re: Darwin is. - 07/14/07 08:29 AM
Period. End-of-story. Finis.

Typical of the authoritarian character: he thinks he can put an end to things
Posted By: Faldage Re: Darwin is. - 07/14/07 12:24 PM
Originally Posted By: themilum


How snide. Answer the point!


There was a point there?
Posted By: Hydra It is. - 07/15/07 02:27 AM
Quote:

P. J. Waters: Something has touched you, hasn't it?

Ruth: To fiind out that, you'd have to look into my heart. Way beyond something you can read in a book and quote. It is. It is. It is. That's... That's his teaching.

Waters: Oh, that's what he said? His words? ''It is''?

Ruth: His words.

Waters: ''He alone attains unto it who exclaims, 'It is! It is!' Thus may it be perceived and apprehended in its essence.'' The Upanishads. The Upanishads, Ruth--an ancient Hindu text. Feel with your heart, but check your facts.

—Holy Smoke.
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