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Posted By: Homo Loquens What is this? - 12/10/05 06:07 AM
Is there word and dictionary entry for this?

I thought it was called a jig, but apparently not.

Edit : By the way, pump car and jigger car are not in the dictionary.
Posted By: TEd Remington Re: What is this? - 12/10/05 09:28 AM
Teacher, teacher, ME! ME!

That one's way too easy. It's a handcar. One word, not two.

And the three letter word you were looking for was gig, not jig. Usually pronounced like jig except when it refers to a musician's spot job.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: What is this? - 12/10/05 10:18 AM
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Teacher, teacher, ME! ME!

That one's way too easy. It's a handcar. One word, not two.

And the three letter word you were looking for was gig, not jig. Usually pronounced like jig except when it refers to a musician's spot job.




Thanks. I didn't know that.

Handcar -- a duller word than this cannot possibly be imagined -- is in my dictionary. But I do not have an entry for gig.

But while where one the subject of vehicles, does any one know what an Obeissante is?

In Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, the narrator Casaubon encounters one in the Conservatoire des Arts et Metiers, Paris. A google search yields up the same image of a
kind of steam bus (see above).

Can anyone tell me the meaning of this word; history of this vehicle?
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: What is this? - 12/10/05 10:23 AM
Surely not this?

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obeisance noun deferential respect ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [obedience] ): from Old French obeissance, from obeissant ‘obeying,’ present participle of obeir.




Edit:

Context: Casaubon is looking for somewhere to hide :

Quote:

Across from the velocipedes were cars with bodies intact, ample receptacles. Perhaps not the 1945 Panhard Dynavia, too open and narrow in its aerodynamic sleekness; but the tall 1909 Peugeot—an attic, a boudoir—was definitely worth considering. Once I was inside, deep in its leather divan, no one would suspect a thing. But the car would not be easy to get into; one of the guards was sitting on a bench directly opposite, his back to the bicycles. I pictured myself stepping onto the running board, clumsy in my fur-collared coat, while he, calves sheathed in leather leggings, doffed his visored cap and obsequiously opened the door...

I concentrated for a moment on the twelve-passenger Obeis-sante, 1872, the first French vehicle with gears. If the Peugeot was an apartment, this was a building. But there was no hope of boarding it without attracting everyone’s attention. Difficult to hide when the hiding places are pictures at an exhibition.


Posted By: wsieber Re: What is this? - 12/11/05 06:52 PM
Here
http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/preshis.asp?id1=21&lan=1
it says the vehicle in question was driven by a steam engine.. And there was only one piece ever made.
Posted By: inselpeter Re: What is this? - 12/11/05 07:49 PM
Damn, does that look dangerous!
Posted By: maverick Re: What is this? - 12/11/05 11:16 PM
> en route pour 200 km jusqu’à Paris [...] Il reçu 75 contraventions sur le voyage

and we now complain about speed cameras...!
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: What is this? - 12/12/05 12:04 PM
Thanks for the link. Pity I can't read French. Does the site explain why is it called L'Obéissante ?
Posted By: inselpeter Re: What is this? - 12/12/05 12:41 PM
--why
presumably because a steam engine isn't a horse
Posted By: maverick Re: What is this? - 12/12/05 02:14 PM
fwiw, my stab would be along these lines, tho' I'm not entirely sure of a couple of the more techy aspects:

The only manufacturer of steam cars in the years from 1870 to 1890 whose work deserves to be highlighted is the French engineer Amédée Bollée. His father founded a factory in Mans in 1842.

Amédée was born in 1844. In 1867, he visited the Paris Exposition, where he saw a good number of road engines. He was already an engineer. Following that, he installed a small workshop in the family factory in 1871 where he worked every evening on his steam car, which took to the road in 1873: `The Obedient’.

It had some pretty useful innovations. Its wheels, swivelling in forks, were each independently suspended. The steering consisted of chains actuating on cams calculated to steer geometrically correctly in the tightest of curves. Its engines had two cylinders arranged in a ‘V’ of 90° and were placed in side compartments, releasing more space for the passengers. The conductor sat in the front and the driver at the rear.

On October 9, 1875, Bollée got under way for a 200 km trip to Paris. With each change of département (civil district), an official stopped him to check that the machine would not damage the roadway. He received 75 penalties on the voyage – but these had little after-effect, since Bollée had taken along the Prefect of Police in person!

‘The Obedient’ created a sensation in Paris, but no firm orders followed.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Horseless carriage - 12/13/05 04:20 AM
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The only manufacturer [...] no firm orders followed.




Thanks for the information.

The name then is basically "the tractable horse." By contrast, it almost suggests Bollée had a low opinion of horses. Had a bad experience with one, probably. Conjecture : Bollée was bucked by a horse.
Posted By: consuelo Re: Horseless carriage - 12/13/05 11:16 AM
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Conjecture : Bollée was bucked by a horse.




That, or he just never got the hang of driving a horse-drawn vehicle. Horses know when the one holding the reins has no idea what he's doing and act accordingly.
Posted By: inselpeter Re: Horseless carriage *DELETED* - 12/13/05 11:18 AM
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Posted By: Jackie Re: Horseless carriage - 12/14/05 01:43 AM
Amedee Bollee Sr. was the most remarkable of the steam-car pioneers. Heir to a bell foundry at Le Mans, he added mechanical workshops and built a series of advanced-design vehicles from 1873 to 1883. There was nothing particularly new or refined in his steam power systems, but his sense of vehicle architecture was superb. La Mancelle, built in 1878, had a front-mounted engine, shaft drive to the differential, chain drive to the rear wheels, steering wheel on a vertical shaft and driver's seat behind the engine. The boiler was carried behind the passenger compartment. Bollee built a series of steam carriages with romantic names like Rapide and L'Obeissante (the Obedient One). His sons, Amedee Jr. and Leon, both became makers of gasoline-powered cars. Amedee Sr. also invented an independent front-wheel suspension system with upper and lower transverse leaf springs in 1878.
Bollée
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