Not to be confused with cicisbeo
cicisbeo
n.,
pl. 3be[os# 73bz#8 or It. 3be$i 73c8 5It6 the lover of a married woman
nor with cicerone
cicerone
n.,
pl. 3nes# 73ncz#8 or It. 3ni 73nc8 5It < L Cicero, the orator: ? from the usual loquacity of guides6 a guide who explains the history and chief
I just checked a site about Latin pronunciation, and it said "c" is always hard.
Hello, Kickero!
>lover of a married man
paramour works for either, but perhaps there is an equivalent in Italian?
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I just checked a site about Latin pronunciation, and it said "c" is always hard.
Hello, Kickero!
wwh, tell me it ain't true!
I can't believe Cicero would be pronounced: Kicker-oh.
Isn't there some rule somewhere about the letter 'c'? At least in French the 'c' before a, o and u, I believe, is hard and soft in front of 'i' and 'e.' You have to modify the 'c' before a, o, and u to soften them by using a special accent. Is there a similar rule in Latin? It seems 'c' before 'i' in Cicero must be soft and not hard simple because I've never heard anyone say Kickero. Please, Latin lovers, speak out on this!
In Classical Latin, the Latin of the very Cicero of whom we speak, the letter C was always hard. As the ages wore on, the sound of the C before front vowels (i and e) was pulled forward from the back articulation to one further forward in the mouth. This expressed itself as a ch sound in Italian, a ts sound in German and further degenerated to an s sound in French.
I can't believe Cicero would be pronounced: Kicker-oh.
If there were a rule qualifying the hardness of the 'c', would you prefer 'sickero' or 'kissero'?
"What's the lover of a married man called?' Amistressl Definition of a ;mistress - something
between a mister and a mattress.
i was surprised dictionary gave no synonym for "cicisbeo". One day I overheard my mother
discussing a socially prominent young man who was the cicisbeo of a locally prominent widow.
She referred to him as Mrs. Soandso;s "accomodator". I nearly fell down the stairs, it struck me
as so funny.
What's the lover of a married man called? - WW
A butt on the side?
Good ol' Kickeroh. I sure won't forget that now that I've learned it.
But everybody around here sure does pronounc good ol' Kickeroh's name: "Sisseroh."
everybody around here sure does pronounce good ol' Kickeroh's name: "Sisseroh."
An I'll betcha they ain' a classical Roman in the bunch.
An I'll betcha they ain' a classical Roman in the bunch.
There ain' ennathin' or ennaone that's classical where I live. Closest thin' to even historical--disregarding classical altogether-- is the marker for where the Battle of Five Forks was fought--and you kin stand there and count the five forks to make sure the historians got the count right.
We speak Southern Virginian here. Wanna guess how lots of us pronounce "vegetables"?
Vegehbls?
FWIW What Dr. Bill said about the "proper" way to pronounce Cicero only holds for if you're speaking Classical Latin. Mebbe you'll catch a high school student pernouncin it thataway.
Here goes vegetables in Southern Virginian:
VEG''-TUB'-bles
There's a heavy stress on the first syllable, and nearly equivalent heaviness on the second. The second and third syllables of vegetables. pronounced in the Rocky Run dialect of Southern Virginian, rhyme with
bubbles.. No joke. Everytime I hear my mom tell me to go get the vegtubbles and put them on the table, it cracks me up.
VEG''-TUB'-bles
Sounds about the way we pronounced it in Chicago. And Boston. And Flagstaff. And Santa Ana. And Ithaca. And about every place I lived. How do you think it should be pronounced, Ve jeh tay bles?
It cracks me up to hear people say veg-uh-TAH-bles.
How Cicero got the name, from Brewer:
Cicero So called from the Latin, cicer (a wart or vetch). Plutarch says “a flat excrescence on the
tip of his nose gave him this name.”
chickpea
n.
1 a bushy annual plant (Cicer arietinum) of the pea family, with short, hairy pods containing usually two seeds; garbanzo
2 the edible seed
It cracks me up to hear people say veg-uh-TAH-bles.
"...It's a scheme of devices to get at low prices
All good from cough-mixtures to cables
{Which tickled the sailors) by treating retailers
As though they were all ve-ge-ta'-bles..."
W S Gilbert, the "Nightmare Song," in Iolanthe
(Tay'-bles, tah'-bles, let's call the whole thing off!)