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Posted By: BranShea pollicitation - 08/21/06 08:58 AM
Today's word only differs one character from the word 'sollitation'.Are they related? The word means the opposite I think from pollicitation.
You ask for a promise, (to be employed or someting else). Can I imagine those two words as being on opposite sides? An offering and a request?
Or is there no explainable connection? I mean,the P and the S do they stand for something?
I'm also thinking of the words pollution and solution.(a little lame as it should be sollution to match)
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: pollicitation / solicitation - 08/21/06 01:05 PM
Really by two letters. Pollicitation is from Latin pollicitatio from pollicitari 'to promise' intensive verb from polliceri 'to promise'; Solicitation (with only one l in English) a from solicit from Middle English soliciten 'to disturb' from Old French solliciter from Latin sollicitare from sollicitus 'troubled'.
Posted By: speck Re: pollution/solution - 08/21/06 02:45 PM
I've heard said:

"the solution to pollution is dilution"

which rhymes nicely, but the root relations don't hold up. (Nor is it a particularly sustainable way to deal with toxic waste.)

According to the appendix of my aged American Heritage dictionary, there are two different meanings to the Indo-European root leu-. One has to do with loosening (solution), the other with dirt (pollution). And dilute comes from lou-, having to do with washing.
Posted By: Charlee Re: pollicitation - 08/21/06 03:18 PM
Just read today's word and had to laugh. Combine Politician and Solicitation. Sounds like what politicians do when they're campaigning. Happy Monday!
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: pollicitation - 08/21/06 04:41 PM
Latin pollicior 'to hold forth, offer, promise' from por 'for, before' + liceor (licet 'it is allowed') from PIE *lei-q- 'lie open, be free', augmentation of *lei- 'lie/lay out, sretch out'.

Latin sollicito 'to stir up, arouse, tempt' from sollus 'whole, entire' + cieo 'to move, stir' from PIE *qei- 'move to and fro'.

Greek politike 'urban' from polis 'city-state' from *pel@-; cf. Sanskrit pura 'city'.
Posted By: BranShea Re: pollicitation / solicitation - 08/22/06 05:37 PM
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Really by two letters. Pollicitation is from Latin pollicitatio from pollicitari 'to promise' intensive verb from polliceri 'to promise'; Solicitation (with only one l in English) a from solicit from Middle English soliciten 'to disturb' from Old French solliciter from Latin sollicitare from sollicitus 'troubled'.




Woops! that's a lot of fast latin. So I'll remember that: solicitation. One l only.
What's with this bizarre word 'nudiustertian' and the context it
was placed in, dating from 1647. Would today's Queens show themselves in two days old fashion and call it the latest? Should it not be today's always? (for queens, I mean)
Or is it only nudiustertian news that is called old news. I really hope I understand the meaning of this 1647 quote right
Anyway, nudists will never be troubled by nudiusturtian fashion.
Posted By: Aramis Re: pollicitation - 08/22/06 07:47 PM
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...Or is there no explainable connection? I mean,the P and the S do they stand for something?...



It must have something to do with salt and pepper shakers! Or maybe it's voodoo.
Posted By: BranShea Re: pollicitation - 08/23/06 01:13 PM
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...Or is there no explainable connection? I mean,the P and the S do they stand for something?...



It must have something to do with salt and pepper shakers! Or maybe it's voodoo.




Thanks,sweet bird of higher wisdom. I got queer looks for lauhging out loud.
Posted By: BranShea Re: pollicitation - 08/23/06 02:11 PM
But....after this good laugh, the S at the start of a lot of modern Italian words gives negative meanings. Such as sgrammaticare- making language mistakes or
mettere- doing putting a lot of things,(positive) versus smettere - stopping an activity(negative). Misura - mesure, versus smisurato- inmesurable.Lots of similar constructions.
Remembering the post of Zmjehd where he was saying the latin sollicitare was about trouble and so on; when you take an Italian
dictionary and look under S you'll find a lot of negative things when the S comes directly before a consonant.That's what I was asking about.
Nononovoodoo.
Hm, yeh, sollicitare.. wel the S comes not before a consonant. O.K exception.
Posted By: BranShea Re: pollicitation - 08/26/06 04:49 PM
Sorry Aramis II, I hope this sweet bird remark did not offend you. I was listening before posting to Handel´s L´Allegro, il Penseroso ed il Moderato and this part about the bird is very mind lifting. Only I don´t think John Milton, who´s poems Handel put to music, was thinking of an owl when, referring to the bird, he called it ´most mercyful, most melancholy´. So I adapted the text to what an owl in our culture stands for, wisdom.
If offense was taken it was not intended to be given.
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