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Posted By: wwh icteric - 12/04/02 02:50 AM
One of the spellingbee words. Patients in OPD amused us by saying "yellow jaundice".
Actually there can be bile retention with bluish tint. I saw a dany case in a Chinese
restaurant in 1947. He had "doigts en baguettes de tambour", and was bluish green, not
yellow. I think it was a combination of jaundice and methemoglobinemia.
Incidentally, the restaurant across the street was named Hung Far Low. Honest.
But what puzzles me is I can't see any association of "icteric" with the color yellow.
Jaundice is easy, French "jaune" is yellow. But what color clue resides in "icteric"


Posted By: Wordwind Re: icteric - 12/04/02 03:03 AM
The only thing I could find on Onelook was that "icteric" came from the Greek "ikteros" meaning simply "jaundice." I googled "ikteros" and read a few hits, but, again, only read that "ikteros" was Greek for "jaundice." Apparently it's used to mean "yellow" in some avian species.

Posted By: Faldage Re: icteric - 12/04/02 11:42 AM
Per my Greek dictionary, ikteros is the name of a bird of a yellowish green colour by looking at which a jaundiced person was cured; the bird died! Related words (ikteriau, ikterikos) have meanings related to jaundice but ikterias means a yellowish kind of stone.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: icteric/rictus/birds - 12/04/02 01:18 PM
Any connection between the "ic" in "icteric" and the "ic" in "rictus"? Probably not, but thought I'd ask.

Posted By: Bingley Re: icteric - 12/04/02 02:16 PM
whoops doubled up, sorry
Bingley
Posted By: Bingley Re: icteric - 12/04/02 02:16 PM
According to the Liddle and Scott entry on ikteros (http:// makeashorterlink.com/?A25E217A2) Pliny the Elder identifies the ikteros with the bird we now as the golden oriole.


Bingley
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Seize the moment ! - 12/04/02 04:56 PM
Even closer might be the word for seizure, which is "ictus". Any connection found?

And exploiting my famous looseness of association: icterus ==> ictus ==> seizure ==> seize the moment ==> carpe diem ("Seize the day!") ==> carpals are wristbones ==> ==> is that because we use the wrist to seize objects with? (well, sort of, by exension, almost, maybe)

Posted By: Faldage Re: Seize the moment ! - 12/05/02 11:15 AM
use the wrist to seize objects with?

You use your wrists? You might find that fingers work a little better.

Carpal traces back through Greek karpos, wrist, to IE kwerp-. No mention of carpere.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Seize the url - 12/05/02 12:01 PM
Bingley,

I couldn't get your link to come up.

I got the impression from reading about ikteros on Google that ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Seize the url - 12/05/02 01:46 PM
ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow

Hey! Jaundice = yellow

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Seize the url - 12/05/02 01:55 PM
But does jaundice = yellow, purely and wholly, or does jaundice = yellow from sickness?

In other words, would we be correct in using jaundice strictly as a color?

New Spring Line from Channel: That Little Jaundice Dress

Yikes!

Posted By: Faldage Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 02:08 PM
Per AHD:

Middle English jaundis, jaunis, from Old French jaunice, yellowness, jaundice, from jaune, jalne, yellow, from Latin galbinus, yellowish.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 03:38 PM
Thank you, Faldage.

Jaundiced journalism has a striking ring to it, doesn't it?

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 05:27 PM
isn't it a bit more chartreuse?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 05:36 PM
a bit more chartreuse?

Depends. Yellow chartreuse or green chartreuse?

Posted By: wwh Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 06:14 PM
You can get yellow jaundice from drinking too much Chartreuse. Cheaper to go Gallo.

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 06:41 PM
Y'all're a hoot.

And WW, is that Channel or Chanel?

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 08:16 PM
In reply to:

And WW, is that Channel or Chanel?


You're not an editor for nuthin'!

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Yellow jaundice - 12/05/02 09:19 PM
a long-dead relative once sent me the wrong music as a gag...

yep, I was channeled a chart ruse...

Posted By: Bingley Re: Seize the url - 12/06/02 01:28 AM
In reply to:

I got the impression from reading about ikteros on Google that ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow.


Yes, it does mean jaundice. As Faldage said, it is also the name of a bird, the sight of which was supposed to cure jaundice. I was adding for the benefit of the ornithologically curious that the bird in question is the golden oriole.

Bingley

Posted By: wwh Re: Seize the url - 12/06/02 01:33 AM
So if you complained to a iatros about ikteros, he gave you the bird.And a "golden oriole"
is "golden gold"
oriole - 1776, from Fr. oriol, from L. aureolus "golden,"
from I.E. *aus- "gold."

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