I recognized the name of these grapes, but can't remember having eaten any. Interesting discussion at this URL:
http://www.ncwine.org/press3.htm

Just doesn't have that romantic ring to it for wine making does it?

Dear Zed: I seen ship scuppers I would not want to drink
a nog of. Particulary when bad weather has cause epidemic
seasickness.

Dr.bill
glad I ate before reading that

I actually found a place that has Scuppernong wine for sale, believe it or not! http://www.waldensian.com/price.htm Some sources describe the taste as "musky", which makes me wonder. I don't know if that wonder is worth $28, but.

Dear Fiberbabe: Let's be fair. Four bottles for $28. I feel good, thinking of all the money I have saved not buying wine. That company needs a winesnob consultant to police up
the adjectives used in that ad. Musky reminds me of "muskrat". Not the right spin. Which reminds me of group game "Spin the bottle". I could never get it to point where
I wanted it to.

More interesting to me, a self-professed oenophile, is the name of the company: Waldensian. A name associated with a pre-Reformation quasi-protestant heresy / sect / religion founded by Peter Waldo of Lyons in the 12th century. Much persecuted by the Roman Church and championed (in theory) by the Protestants.

Dear jheem: I wonder if that is where Ralph Waldo Emerson
got his middle name.

Musky reminds me of "muskrat".

I don't think 'musky' is normally used as a complimentary term regarding wines. Muscadine is a variety of grape.

Dear Faldage: look at last line of the etymology.
Musk= aroma of athletic supporter?
musk

PRONUNCIATION: msk
NOUN: 1a. A greasy secretion with a powerful odor, produced in a glandular sac beneath the skin of the abdomen of the male musk deer and used in the manufacture of perfumes. b. A similar secretion produced by certain other animals, such as the otter or civet. c. A synthetic chemical resembling natural musk in odor or use. 2a. The odor of musk. b. An odor similar to musk. 3. A musk deer.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old French musc, from Late Latin muscus, from Greek moskhos, from Persian muk, probably from Sanskrit muka, testicle. See ms- in Appendix I.

Interesting that this should come up. I was looking through one of Chas. Funk's books on word and phrase origins, when I noticed that muscle and mussel are both from Latin musculus 'little mouse'. The related Sanskrit mushka 'testicle, female pudendum' (Hode and weibliche Scham in Pokorny); I wonder why A-H dropped the second from their review of English words derived from the root *mu:s- 'mouse; muscle'. Another cognate is Old Bulgarian (aka Old Church Slavonic) mush'tsa 'brachion, arm' and Greek muschon 'sex organ' (Geschlechtsorgan in Pokorny, to andreion kai gunaikeion morion 'the masculine and feminine genitals' in Liddell-Scott). Something about mice and body parts in PIE.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE332.html

Remember that to-do we had (about a thousand years ago, I think) over musk sticks? This was my whole point... It may have smelled sexy in the 70s, but why would anyone want to *ingest* anything tasting like musk? And musky wine is a far cry from muscat/muscadine!

I remembered reading something of the Waldensians years ago and googled it. However, I have never seen one of the terms used, which was "soteriology", meaning, it turns out "The theological doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus."

Looks like the study of a particularly nasty skin condition to me!

soteriology

SYLLABICATION: so·te·ri·ol·o·gy
PRONUNCIATION: s-tîr-l-j
NOUN: The theological doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus.
ETYMOLOGY: Greek strion, deliverance (from str, savior, from saos, ss, safe; see teu- in Appendix I) + –logy.
OTHER FORMS: so·teri·o·logic (--ljk) , so·teri·o·logi·cal (--kl) —ADJECTIVE

ENTRY: teu-
DEFINITION: Also teu-. To swell. Oldest form *teu2-.
Derivatives include thigh, thousand, thimble, tumor, butter, and tomb.
1. Extended form *teuk-. thigh, from Old English thoh, thigh, from Germanic *theuham, “the swollen or fat part of the leg,” thigh. 2. Extended form *ts-. thousand, from Old English thsend, thousand, from Germanic compound *ths-hundi-, “swollen hundred,” thousand (*hundi-, hundred; see dek). 3. Probably suffixed zero-grade form *tu-l-. a. thole, from Old English thol(l), oar pin, oarlock (< “a swelling”), from Germanic *thul-; b. tylectomy, tylosis1, from Greek tulos, callus, lump. 4. Extended zero-grade form *tm-. a. thimble, thumb, from Old English thma, thumb (< “the thick finger”), from Germanic *thmn-; b. suffixed (stative) form *tum--. tumescent, tumid, tumor; detumescence, intumesce, tumefacient, tumefy, from Latin tumre, to swell, be swollen, be proud; c. suffixed form *tum-olo-. tumulus, from Latin tumulus, raised heap of earth, mound. 5. Extended zero-grade form *tbh-. truffle, tuber; protuberate, from Latin tber, lump, swelling. 6. Suffixed zero-grade form *t-ro- (< *tu-ro-). a. butter, tyrosine, from Greek tros, cheese (< “a swelling,” “coagulating”); b. obturate, from Latin -trre, to stop up, possibly from *tros, swollen, coagulated, stopped up. 7. Suffixed variant form *tw-ro-. a. sorites, sorus, from Greek sros, heap, pile; b. quark2, from Old Church Slavonic tvarog, curds, cottage cheese. 8. Suffixed variant form *tw-m. soma1, somato-, –some3; prosoma, from Greek sma, body (< “a swelling,” “stocky form”). 9. Suffixed zero-grade form *tw-wo-. creosote, soteriology, from Greek saos, ss, safe, healthy (< “swollen,” “strong”), with derivative verb szein, to save. 10. Perhaps nasalized extended form *tu-m-b(h)- (or extended zero-grade form *tum-). tomb, from Greek tumbos, barrow, tomb. (Pokorny tu- 1080.)

Yes, soter is Gk for 'savior', while we're more familiar with the Latin salvator (as in El Salvador / San Salvador in Spanish). Soter is the 'S' in the Jesus fish acronym sign you see on the bumpers of some cars: Iesous CHristos THeou hUios Soter = ichthus. I first ran across soteriology when reading a huge book on early Christian heresies by some German Lutheran theologian historian. Lots of fun with Pelagianists, Arians, Donatists, Marcellianists, Priscillianists, et al.

quark 2, from Old Church Slavonic tvarog, curds, cottage cheese.

So quark as a particle in physics from a character's name in Finnegans Wake, but also a grand dairy product in Germany. Thicker than yoghurt, thinner than cream cheese. Makes a goodly schmier on a bagel, or can be eaten plain with maybe a little bit jam mixed in. "Three huffs for Mr Quark." (Oh, and then there's the barkeeper on Deep Space 9, one of the Star Trek franchises.

Creosote (in Appendix above) is a "wood saver"
creosote

SYLLABICATION: cre·o·sote
PRONUNCIATION: kr-st
NOUN: 1. A colorless to yellowish oily liquid containing phenols and creosols, obtained by the destructive distillation of wood tar, especially from the wood of a beech, and formerly used as an expectorant in treating chronic bronchitis. 2. A yellowish to greenish-brown oily liquid containing phenols and creosols, obtained from coal tar and used as a wood preservative and disinfectant. It can cause severe neurological disturbances if inhaled in strong concentrations.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: cre·o·sot·ed, cre·o·sot·ing, cre·o·sotes
To treat or paint with creosote.
ETYMOLOGY: German Kreosot : Greek kreas, flesh; see kreu- in Appendix I + Greek str, preserver (from szein, to save; see teu- in Appendix I).

jheem, the Waldensian Winery is in the town of Valdese--
you can check out their annual Waldensian festival at their
website.
In pursuit of links, it just occurred to me to wonder if
Walden's pond was named for the same group or its founder..

it just occurred to me to wonder if Walden's pond was named for the same group or its founder.

Walden Pond was probably just named after some local worthy named Walden. The surname is from the placename (there're about 3 in England) meaning 'valley of the Britons' < wala (gen pl of walh 'stranger, Welsh') & denu 'valley'.

gen pl of walh 'stranger, Welsh'

I allus thunk it was perty dang uppity a them Sassenach ta come garbagin inta a country and start callin the natives furriners.

I allus thunk it was perty dang uppity a them Sassenach ta come garbagin inta a country and start callin the natives furriners.

Yes, indeed. Vortigern should've never invited them in. Always a dangerous precedence.

And I am mildly amused to read of a a race which has taken land by force moaning when it has a bigger bug jump on it and bite it.

Vortigern should've never invited them in

That just makes it worse. Not only were they being uppity they were being rude to their hosts. They shoulda held their horses.

It seems there may not have been that many Anglo Saxons invading or that many Britons being pushed out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3514756.stm

Bingley

Yes, I saw that article. The interesting thing is that opposed to the Vikings in Normandy, the Langobards in northern Italy, the Vandals in Andalusia, or the Franks in northern France, this invading body replaced the language of the previous invaders with theirs.