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Posted By: wwh binturong - 11/24/02 06:11 PM
Baltimore spelling bee word. An Asian prehensile-tailed catlike carnivorous animal.

Post edit: Dear tsuwm, how right you are. Just something to destroy some hopeful kid.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: binturong - 11/24/02 06:30 PM
..another splendid example of a *totally worthless word that makes *no sense to learn how to spell. (and, I might add, one which I would never use as a wwftd!)

Posted By: Wordwind Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:01 PM
Did the kids have to define the words in the MD bee in order to be able to spell the word?

Binturong is an easy word to spell.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:19 PM
the kids can ask for the definition; they don't need to define it themselves.

binturongs are cool! in this day of global awareness and ecological disaster, why would this be a worthless word to know?

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:22 PM
http://www.cptigers.org/animals/binturong.html

Posted By: Wordwind Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:27 PM
Oh, et'...

Thanks for the link! That binturong looks like a weasel. I read on your link that it's in the civet family.

Now I have to admit a gray area of learning for me. Aren't skunks in the civet family?

Are ferrets, too? The only reason I ask is I once adopted a ferret named "Muffin" that smelled like anything but.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:36 PM
apparently, they're not:

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0812348.html

Posted By: Wordwind Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:47 PM
Well, now I'm flat confused. I just checked Britannica and read this:

"The family Mustelidae contains a variety of animals unmatched by any other family in the Carnivora except the civets (Viverridae). The family includes the weasels, ferrets, mink (see photograph ), marten, fisher, skunks (see photograph ), wolverine (see photograph ), otters (see photograph ), badgers (see photograph ), and a number of less well-known animals, a total of about 70 species in 25 genera. " (emphasis mine)

Yet the Britannaic article indicated that the skunk is part of the Mustelidae. And it's also part of the civet group? That's where I'm lost. Is a skunk not part of the civet group?

I'm confused.

One thing, fersure: That binturong looks like a weasel!

Posted By: Faldage Re: binturong - 11/24/02 10:54 PM
Binturong is an easy word to spell.

It's easy to spell if you know how it's spelled. I know I've been too wrong before but, depending on how it's pronounced, I could imagine its being spelled with any variation on bin/ben to/te/ta rong/rang

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: skunks=civets? - 11/24/02 10:54 PM
I think if you re-read the first sentence again, you'll get past your confusion.
it says that the Mustilidae(skunk) family has a lot of variety in its members. the only other family that has as much variety is the Viverridae(civey) family. so skunks aren't civets.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: skunks=civets? - 11/24/02 10:58 PM
Well, skunks might not be civets, but I had thought them to be.

Live and learn!

And, Faldage, so true. It's very important to know how to correctly pronounce words. Take the difference between "pen" and "pin." So many people don't make the distinction between them in their everyday speech. I would say "binturong" pronounced phonetically, would be a piece of cake with a person who had very good enunciation skills.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: skunks=civets? - 11/24/02 11:11 PM
I think the concept of parallel evolution is fascinating. there is something deep and mysterious about like creatures evolving separately, distanced by thousands of miles...

Posted By: wwh Re:help to spellers - 11/25/02 12:21 AM
This quote makes me feel a bit better about fairness:
The judges have put on their serious faces. To their left sits
Alex Cameron, aka the Pronouncer. He gives spellers their
words. He may also provide the word's part of speech,
language of origin, and definition, and use it in a sentence if
the speller asks. An English professor at the University of
Dayton, Cameron has warmed the Pronouncer's chair since
1981. He is a jowly, ruddy-faced man with an authoritative
presence, like a stern but kindly uncle.

Posted By: Faldage Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 12:07 PM
"binturong" pronounced phonetically

I've thought of some more spellings:

Beentoorawng
Binturon

Of course if you're allowed to ask what language it comes from, then all you've got to know is the spelling conventions of a couple thousand languages.

How would you spell [guuretskee]?

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 01:40 PM
gorecki

Posted By: Faldage Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 02:00 PM
gorecki

No fair! That question was for WerdWind.

And it's actual® Górecki, if you want to get technical

Posted By: Wordwind Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 02:28 PM
'Least you didn't call me WeirdWind, Faldaged:

OK. I didn't make myself clear. I wrote that binturong is an easy word to spell. That's the only point I was making about binturong. If you look up its pronunciation, it's very straightforward:

BIN-too-Rong.

If someone asked me to spell "BIN-too-Rong," I imagine I would spell it:

binturong

because that seems the most direct route into an animal spelling. For instance, the "ong" I would associate with earth syllables, such as prong, long (horns), and billabong. And the "bin" would make me think of something existing perhaps in the east or southeast Asia. After getting a definition, I would be pretty sure the spelling was binturong unless there were some unusual rule of which I wasn't aware.

That's why, Faldage, I wrote that I think binturong is an easy word to spell.

I certainly didn't mean that every dadburned word on earth you could come up with would be easy to spell correctly based on phonics.

Like this one, fer instance:

KEY-ruh-boss.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 08:53 PM
No fair! That question was for WerdWind.

sorry. I'll stay out of this one...

I figured all that typin' stuff would be a thorn in somebodys side...

Posted By: wwh Re: skunks=civets? - 11/25/02 09:52 PM
My dictionary says that "civet" is valuable secretion for making perfumes, derived from the
"civet cat". At the bottom was a reference to "cacomistle" which I thought might mean
something about chemical warfare. Folk etymology again.

>cacomistle
n.
5AmSp cacomixtle < Nahuatl %atkomis%i < %atko, half + mis3%i, cougar6
1 a slender, long-tailed, raccoonlike carnivore (Bassariscus astutus) of the SW U.S. and Mexico
2 its fur Also cac$o[mix#le 73mis#!l, 3mik#s!l8


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