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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread "Pommy" derivation #22314 03/11/01 08:49 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 460 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia P paulb OP addict OP paulb addict P Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 460 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia "Pommy is supposed to be short for pomegranate. Pomegrante [sic], pronounced invariably pommygranate, is a near enough rhyme to immigrant, in a naturally rhyming country. Furthermore, immigrants are known in their first months, before their blood "thins down," by their round and ruddy cheeks. So we are told! Hence again, pomegranate, and hence Pommy. Let etymologists be appeased: it is the authorised derivation." D H Lawrence: Kangaroo [complete with typo!] Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pommy" derivation #22315 03/11/01 12:03 PM Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 116 Jerusalem, ISRAEL Shoshannah member Shoshannah member Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 116 Jerusalem, ISRAEL Hey Paul - thanks for that - if you will check the thread about NAMES, you will see that my family name, Pomeranz, is possibly derived from pomegranate... it's interesting since, as a teenager, friends called my older brother 'Pom Pom' (and a good friend of mine decided to call me 'Lily Pom' - since my first name in French is translated 'lily'). Anyway - the pomegranate, one of the Seven Species of Eretz Yisrael, should you wish to know, is reputed to contain 613 seeds, the number of 'mitzvot' (or laws) in the Torah (the original 10 plus all the ones where the Torah says and G-d spoke to Moses and said, 'Go and tell my people...') - so, at Succot, when we use the pomegranate for decoration in the Succa and eat them (as they are then in season), we remember the Torah, the 613 mitzvot and, thus, our relationship with G-d. As well, the pomegranate in a Jewish home has the same meaning as the pineapple has come to mean (at least in the USA) - and that is, as a sign of welcome! Shoshannah For more on the pomegranate and the Seven Species of Israel, go to: http://www.gezernet.co.il/tgs/florafauna/7species.html - a page I made as part of a project on the Flora of Israel for my tour guide class. suzanne pomeranz, tourism consultant jerusalem, israel - suztours@gmail.com Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pommy" derivation #22316 03/11/01 05:22 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Lawrence was obsessed by bodies, wasn't he? I was taught that POM meant "Prisoner of Mother England" in relation particularly to punishment by transportation to the Strine. Port Arthur is an interesting place NOW, but imagine how interesting it would have been 130-odd years ago ... The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pommy" derivation #22317 03/11/01 05:31 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass the OED speaketh: The most widely held derivation of this term, for which, however, there is no firm evidence, is that which connects it with pomegranate (see quots. 1923, 1963). A discussion of this and of other theories may be found in W. S. Ramson "Australian English". (the 1923 quot. is Lawrence's) anyone have access to the Ramson? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,328 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 721 guests, and 0 robots. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 29 A C Bowden 15 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 tsuwm 10,542 wofahulicodoc 10,539 LukeJavan8 9,916 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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