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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 1 of 2 1 2 frippery #147731 09/10/05 01:56 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA In an e-mail message from a vicar-chum in the Mother Country, she asked what vestments I wore to conduct a funeral (the Burial Office) on Thursday last. I responded and her response was that, back in Blighty, they do not bother with such frippery. I thought frippery referred to foolishness, nonsense, things that are a waste of time. But mayhaps there is a closer connection to vesture. I note that Shanks (where IS Shanks?) and FishonaBike (where IS FishonaBike) both used this term back in 2000 on this Board. They being Anglic, it must be an Anglicism. Mustn't it? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: frippery #147732 09/10/05 02:03 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont well, etymyonline gives us: frippery 1568, "old clothes, cast-off garments," from M.Fr. friperie "old clothes, an old clothes shop," from O.Fr. freperie, from frepe "rag," from L.L. faluppa "chip, splinter, straw, fiber." The notion is of "things worn down, clothes rubbed to rags." The ironic meaning "finery" (but with overtones of tawdriness) dates from 1637. so, no frip answer at hand, I'd say your vesture guess is very clothe. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: frippery #147733 09/10/05 02:09 PM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,379 New York City I inselpeter Pooh-Bah inselpeter Pooh-Bah I Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,379 New York City >>Anglican<< Well, it derives from Latin through old French, if that means anything. The main definitions refer to unnecessarilly showy clothing, so the more general meaning of pretentiousnesss or ostentation are apparently originally metaphorical. I like the Latin "faluppa" ("worthless material") from which it ultimately derives: especially as I imagine it rendered in Brooklynese. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: frippery #147734 09/10/05 05:50 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA etaoin sez: no frip answer at hand, I'd say your vesture guess is very clothe. You have fallen dangerously under the influence of TEd. I will pray for you. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: frippery #147735 09/10/05 07:23 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA The adjectival form appears to be "fripperous" which got 126 Google hits but did not make it into the One-Look Dictionary system. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: frippery #147736 09/10/05 07:35 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass frippery itself has been adjectivized, as has frippish (marked obs. rare by OED). 1739 GRAY Lett. Wks. 1884 II. 49 That city..made so frippery an appearance, that instead of spending some days there..we only dined, and went on to Parma. 1768 FOOTE Devil on 2 Sticks I, In spite of the frippery French Salick laws, a woman is a free agent. 1795 Jemima I. 161 His dress..is so frippery. 1844 Blackw. Mag. LV. 200 Neither will they be persuaded by the frippery tomes which load the counters. 1859 JEPHSON Brittany v. 55 Numbers of frippery and vulgar ornaments on the table. 18.. M. PATTISON Mem. ii. (1885) 89 Betake themselves..to the frippery work of attending boards. 1787 Generous Attachment I. 156 Let them erect their pompous edifices with all the frippish grandeur of modern architecture. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: King Crimson #147737 09/11/05 10:39 AM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont and don't forget Robert Fripp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fripp formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: King Crimson #147738 09/11/05 01:20 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Got it! Any band with Robert Fripp in it may properly be called King Crimson, no matter who the others might be. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: King Crimson #147739 09/12/05 12:08 AM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,891 B belMarduk Carpal Tunnel belMarduk Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,891 Friperie in French has a few meanings. The first is a term for old clothing. The second is a shop that sells used clothing. The third is a set of clothing for an occassion. I think that may be what your friend is referring to Father Steve. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Friperie #147740 09/12/05 12:29 AM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA a set of clothing for an occassion. Now that makes some sense, what with the Mother Country being just across the ditch from France and all. 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