Well, as Snoot brought up in another thread....this is where Max's hints used to be. What a sad day it is that all that information is lost to those newer folks who have started posting.

Why don't you spend the several hundred hour he spent and recreate it? Then you can fund a web site to host it, for everyones use, too, as he did, free of charge.

i don't understand why you would value his helpful hints, but think his other posts were not valuable.

after all, he was a person sited as making hurtful posts, as being a sourse of problems, (if not by you personally,) by others. (i am not going to comb the thread for all the harsh, hurtful words that were directed at him as payment for his kindness)

I can't image why any thought that way about him, after all he did to make this place wonderful.

i guess its a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Who was it who ask the rhetorical question "what good is a baby anyway?"

i don't understand why you would value his helpful hints, but think his other posts were not valuable.

Excuse me, of troy, I have never said a bad word about Max and have always valued this place he had for us. Please, do not assume you know how I feel, or what I think.

of troy, max has indeed said and done many beautiful things. On a personal level, he at one point paid me one of the most gracious and profoundly subtle compliments a person could ever hope to receive.

That does not mean that every single act of his is wonderful. Like all of us, he has his human frailties in his postings, and indeed he has been most gracious in admitting them on several occasions.

Some feel that this particular deletion was unfortunate.

angel at the time i posted, your's and max's were the only posts to respond to.
Max has requested, for various reasons, that unless the esponse is directed to what he had to say, not to reply to his post.

so i replied to your post..

i will edit now, if you'd like. i'll delete, and move the post it as a reply to Dr bill post..
the You (as i noted in the third paragraph (if not by you personally,) was a rhetorical you, to those who have have been ever so less than kind to Max.

besides, just last week you were advocting.

Let's talk about the word ignore. To ignore is to act as though something or someone doesn't exist, not to bring it to full attention.

Continue posting, and if a post by myself or Keiva or another offends you, then ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist and go on about your business. Let's not tear this board apart because you don't agree with the words of another.

so why don't you just ignore my post?

i'm just checking mind you. i never heard the rules.. are there rules? it is rule that Max has to contribute valuable stuff, and can't delete it?

Deleting the information that used to be here will not hurt the people with whom its creator is angry, but just the newcomers who might have benefitted from it.

I admire MAX and looked forward to his posts and was always in awe of his magnificent mind and wit. Many times his words would just take my breath away. When he announced he would stop posting it devastated me. My only consolation then was that I would always have whatever he has posted to go back to anytime I feel that need to be inspired.
Alas, I did not know that, that could be taken away....

Yiddish maxim: Only a genius or a fool rushes into print.

Let's all back off a bit, shall we?
[edit] I recall musick's words: "The only structure we need is self-control".

interesting-- it took less than 1 minute for someone to respond to my post-- and look at what he posts!

and he quotes Musick-- why don't you look up some of your own quotes? you, know, the ones were you insisted we have to have rules, and where, when you were asked to back off, and the subject was changed, and days had past, you kept bringing up slights (subtle potshots is the very phrased you used,) directed at you.

yes restraint is good--- you are always advocating some one to use it i've noticed.

sigh. All right, ma'am. Why don't you sleep on it and see if you feel the same in the morning?

Over thirty of us have slept on it for months and what an uncomfortable pillow. If you would leave permanently, this board could recover.

you might also note, as i and others, have pointed out, Keiva, in an underhanded, decietfull way, uses others. Above he used a quote of Musick's, to suggest that he and Musick are in agreement, when in fact, nothing is further from the true.

When its pointed out, clearly, without resorting to foul language, line by line, then, keiva just bows out, and says i should sleep on it.. he doesn't apolgies, he doesn't stop behaving in a decietful way, he implies, i am wrong, and he is the injured party.

Sit back and watch, he does it again and again.. The show is not quite a one trick pony, but it is a very limited repertoire. i'll do my best to point them out.. watch how he dresses up nasty underhanded remarks, (using others, names and words) to imply a that many agree with him.

let's call it trick 1-- a kind of switch and bait.

Trick 2, is that when his behavior is clearly identifed, he backs off, and suggests retreat. (sleep on it) he doesn't retract, or apologies. he suggests he is hurt by some one point out the truth of his behavior, and that he will kindly let us drop the subject.

Not that he ever drops it, when he thinks someone else has committed a wrong.. no, then its gets harped on, to be 'helpful", he brings it up, again and again.
trick 2 is "the double standard" .

a variation is of this is, when some one points out clearly, carefully and politely that he has been harsh or nasty, he suggest, well, maybe, and that he is going to wait for the marjority to weigh in.
if they do, and agree that Keiva's behavior is not pleasant, not nice, not fair, then trick 3 is dragged out.."every body is picking on me" "poor me"

there are few others.. watch for them.

My conscience will not let me leave without saying this: I am sure that Max had a very good reason for what he did, and I suspect I know what it was--but I won't second-guess him here. Max has the noblest soul that has ever graced this board. I am a far better person for knowing him. And whether we ever meet or not, I shall love him to the end of my days.

Jackie, you may or may not know that I was invited here by Max. He has been lurking here occasionally since the events which compelled him to leave. He asked me to post publicly his thanks to you and Of Troy for your loyal support. He said, "please let everyone know how much I appreciate the actions of my friends, in springing to my defence." The rest of what he said to me about his reasons for deleting his post are probably best not repeated.