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Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill the plural of gas - 05/30/03 02:10 AM
I just encountered gas pluralized in an astronomy article as gasses. Referring to the *rule of adding -es to pluralize an "s" word, it doesn't look right to me. I would use gases. And then why, among all the -as[s] nouns is gas the only one spelled with one "s"? Bass, lass, mass, pass...gas?

Posted By: Capfka Re: the plural of gas - 05/30/03 08:12 AM
Well, as in everything else to do with the English language, perhaps the question you should be asking is "why not?", Juan.

Posted By: Faldage Re: the plural of gas - 05/30/03 10:01 AM
And why limit your inquiry to -as words? Buses always looks funny to me as the plural of bus.

And the plural of As is Ęsir.

Posted By: Bean Re: the plural of gas - 05/30/03 11:01 AM
I've seen both gasses and busses, and Atomica said both versions (double or single s) are OK. Remember that there's a difference between American and British useage in words like travelling, too. I personally think it looks naked without double the L.

Posted By: Jackie Traveling - 05/30/03 12:22 PM
I personally think it looks naked without double the L.
Nope, nope, nope. With two l's, I want to say it as "trav-ell-ell-ell-ing"...
Hmm--if I had started that sentence with, "With two ells, I want to say it", would you all have understood me? (Uh oh, there she goes thinkin' again--always a dangerous activity.)


Posted By: wwh Re: the plural of gas - 05/30/03 12:48 PM
Dear WO'N: Rules were made to be broken. My dictionary gives both: With only one "s" it would have long "a", so I like the two esses.
gas
n.,
pl. gas[es or gas[ses 7gas4iz8 5ModL, altered by Van Helmont (1577-1644), Belgian chemist (with g3 pronounced, as in Du, as a voiced fricative) < Gr chaos, air (see CHAOS), term used by Paracelsus6
1 the fluid form of a substance in which it can expand indefinitely and completely fill its container; form that is neither liquid nor solid; vapor
2 any mixture of flammable gases used for lighting, heating, or cooking
3 any gas, as nitrous oxide, used as an anesthetic
4 any substance, as phosgene, intentionally dispersed through the atmosphere, as in war, to act as a poison, irritant, or asphyxiant
5 various gaseous substances formed by living or decaying matter, esp. if formed in the stomach, bowels, etc.
6 [Colloq.] short for GASOLINE
>7 [Slang] a) idle or boastful talk b) something or someone that is very pleasing, exciting, amusing, etc. !the movie was a gas"
8 Mining a mixture of firedamp with air, that explodes if ignited
vt.
gassed, gas4sing
1 to supply with gas
2 to subject to the action of gas
3 to injure or kill by gas, as in war
>4 [Slang] to thrill, delight, amuse greatly, etc.
vi.
1 to give off gas
>2 [Slang] to talk in an idle or boastful way
adj.
of, using, or operated by gas
>gas it up [Colloq.] to supply (a vehicle) with gasoline
>step on the gas
1 [Slang] to press on the accelerator of an automobile
2 to hurry; move or act faster


Posted By: Bean Re: Traveling - 05/30/03 01:49 PM
With two l's, I want to say it as "trav-ell-ell-ell-ing"...

Or, equally, with one L, I want to skip over pronouncing it, it seems so weak there all alone!

Posted By: TEd Remington "With two ells, I want to say..." - 05/30/03 03:32 PM
Depends on just how much distance from the subject you want to keep.

Posted By: TEd Remington Buses always looks funny to me - 05/30/03 03:35 PM
When I was a little kid, my brothers and I were the objects of kissing from our two aunts, who were always trying to get in an equal number of kisses. Just another example of forced bussing to achieve auntequation.

Posted By: wwh Re: Buses always looks funny to me - 05/30/03 04:30 PM
Three in one. A real gem, TEd.

Posted By: JohnHawaii Re: Traveling - 06/03/03 01:45 AM
I am aware of how dangerous it is to offer grammatical and spelling rules to make a point--usually responded to by a huge listing of exceptions. Nevertheless, I have been guided reasonably well thoughout my adult life by the following rule on doubling of consonants

Two-syllable words:
ED = If the stress is on the first syllable, the word only gets one consonant + ED.
ING = If the stress is on the first syllable, the word only gets one consonant + ING.

Examples:
visit > visited, open > opened
happen > happening, enter > entering
travel > traveling (I added this example)

ED = If the stress is on the second syllable, the word gets a double consonant + ED.
ING = If the stress is on the second syllable, the word gets a double consonant + ING.
Examples:
refer > referred, admit > admitted
begin > beginning, permit > permitting


Posted By: sjm Re: Traveling - 06/03/03 02:40 AM
>Nevertheless, I have been guided reasonably well thoughout my adult life by the following rule on doubling of consonants

US orthography - this Zilder is travelling with his Commonwealth cousin in Newfoundland on this issue.

Posted By: hev Re: Traveling - 06/03/03 06:01 AM
Commonwealth cousin - traveling

Oh gawd, this is hideous, not only am I publicly stating my Commonwealth involvement (vive le Republic), but I'm agreeing with a Zilder in the same breath. Don't feel like chopped liver Bean, I agree with my Newfie friend too, but that's not hideous!! Sheesh! What is the world coming to??

Hello everyone.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Mindless rules - 06/03/03 09:22 AM
Oh! Here's a rule! Let's obey it.

No! It's an USn rule, therefore it's stupid and we shouldn't obey it.

The Reason Behind The Rule:

Normal English orthography has it that a long vowel followed by a single consonant shall have another vowel after the consonant. A short vowel shall be followed by a doubled consonant before a following vowel. Thus, when adding a suffix, a single final consonant shall be doubled to protect against lengthening (lengthenning anyone?) an otherwise short vowel, e.g., beginning. The USns have decided that there is no danger of lengthening an unaccented vowel so doubling of the consonant is not necessary if the syllable containing such a vowel is not accented, e.g., traveling.

Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: Mindless rules - 06/03/03 10:27 AM
> a vowel .. not accented

How come 'schwa' doesn't have one, Faldage?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Mindless rules - 06/03/03 11:48 AM
How come 'schwa' doesn't have one what?

Posted By: birdfeed Re: Traveling - 06/03/03 01:10 PM
Contrariwise, I was brought up short when I was expected to "enrol" my daughter in kindergarten in Australia when I thought I should "enroll" her. But then, while I lived there I was a Library Clerk, and spelled it the way I heard them say it, "clark", when I filled out forms. My ex was quite content to let me make a fool of myself, since I showed so much talent for the enterprise.

Posted By: wsieber Re: Traveling - 06/04/03 05:14 AM
If the stress is on the first syllable.. - The trouble with gas: there is only one..

Posted By: Faldage Re: Traveling - 06/04/03 05:36 AM
only one

With my analysis of the rule it doesn't matter how many syllables there are.