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Posted By: sshowalter Agonistes - 12/25/06 03:11 PM
Many legal agonistes like “attorney general,” “surgeon general,” and “court martial” (pl. courts martial) come from Law French, the language of the English courts after the Norman Conquest. Normans, being Frenchmen after all, used both Old French and Old English (and sometimes Latin) in the common law courts that developed after 1066. Hence we have such nonsense legalistic redundancies as “rest, residue and remainder,” “free and clear,” and even “last will and testament.”

Agonstes include my favorite: the “negative pregnant.” It’s a negative (usually a denial) that is pregnant with meaning. Example: Plaintiff alleges Defendant "misused more than a hundred thousand dollars entrusted to him.” The Defendant denies this. Thus, the defendant did not deny the misuse, just the amount. A contemporary example might be “I did not have sex with that woman.”
Posted By: Alex Williams L'agoniste et l'ectasie - 12/25/06 04:10 PM
I hate to pick at nits but did anyone else notice the discrepancy in today's definition?

agonistes (ag-uh-NIS-teez) adjective

One who is engaged in a struggle.



(And a hearty welcome and Merry Christmas to sshowalter)
Posted By: shackmusicman Re: L'agoniste et l'ectasie - 12/25/06 04:24 PM
Yes. It bugged me enough to make me come and register for these forums for the first time (after having come close several times over the years). Why a noun definition for an adjective?
Posted By: ParkinT Re: L'agoniste et l'ectasie - 12/28/06 05:30 PM
Have you not heard the latest?
The NounJective is sweeping the linguistic world!
Posted By: Faldage Re: L'agoniste et l'ectasie - 12/28/06 10:52 PM
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The NounJective is sweeping the linguistic world!




Nothing new there. It was common enough in Classical Latin.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: bahuvrhi - 12/29/06 01:08 AM
It was common enough in Classical Latin.

Indeed, Latin grammar distinguished between two kinds of nomina 'names; nouns': nomina substantiva (what we call nouns) 'nouns substantive' and nomina adjectiva 'nouns adjective' (what we call adjectives). This was based on the similar morphology of both those grammatical classes. Besides that, two nouns in apposition seems a lot like a nominal compound to me.
Posted By: BranShea Re: NounJectives - 12/29/06 12:58 PM
Happy to find one of this week's nounjectives coming from Irish origin.
Galore is what I experienced there. In scenery, ambiance and icing on the Christmas cake.
Akimbo sound Finnish to me . Or should I say Fins? That language is so exotic and often I mistake words and names I come across for Japanese. Any one knows more about this language?
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 02:03 PM
Finnish (Suomi) is a Finno-Ugric language. It is most directly related to Sami (lappish), Estonian, and, more distantly, to Magyar (Hungarian). Finnish has 15 cases for its nouns.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 02:44 PM
No time like the present to resurrect The Birdfeed-Strophic Great Vowel Movement hypothesis:

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=100461
Posted By: Jackie Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 03:18 PM
Ymmärrättekö suomea? No, but I looked it up. MAN I'm glad you're still here!

Anna--how wonderful, to get access to those old posts again! One oddness, though: if I hit Previous, I got the Error message; Next, however, let me keep going in 2002. But jumping categories, either at the top or the bottom of the page, took me back to the present.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 03:31 PM
GVM

Varra najs.
Posted By: ParkinT Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 08:13 PM
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No time like the present to resurrect The Birdfeed-Strophic Great Vowel Movement hypothesis:

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=100461



What's this about a Great Bowel Movement.??
Posted By: ParkinT Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 08:19 PM
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No time like the present to resurrect The Birdfeed-Strophic Great Vowel Movement hypothesis:

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=100461



An interesting read. Very well researched and prsented.
Having spent much time in (and around) the Washington, DC area I can attest that many of those 'Vowel Hordes' settled in Maryland.
Those native to Baltimore speak in an abbreviated fashion that economizes on consonants.
An aborigine will proudly state their birthplace as "Ball-murr, Murr-lyn, hun"
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 08:32 PM
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GVM

Varra najs.




Kiitos.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/29/06 11:05 PM
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GVM

Varra najs.




Kiitos.




You guys break me up.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 12/31/06 08:09 PM
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Finnish (Suomi) is a Finno-Ugric language. Finnish has 15 cases for its nouns.




This is really amazing. What a language!

Yet when I see the word Suomi it leads me to: 'suomi sushi?'
Shall we have sushi together?

Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 01/01/07 01:55 PM
If you knew Sushi like I know Sushi
Oh, oh, oh what a gal
There's none so classy as this fair lassy
Oh, oh my goodness what a chassis
Posted By: BranShea Re: Ymmärrättekö suomea? - 01/01/07 10:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken chassis means the same as what the Congolese call
batterie? TedRemington, this is no Finnish (Suomi) at all !
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