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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 5 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Re: Answering the question #99585 04/03/03 10:58 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 I think he didn't even come close to an answer to the question. IMNSHO French lost the battle for international language of diplomacy when the concept of the Language Academy receded from the English shores. English retained its ability to adapt and French became a fossil. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Answering the question #99586 04/03/03 04:29 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Capfka Pooh-Bah Capfka Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Nah. French lost the battle as the diplomatic language as an outcome of losing the Napoleonic Wars. To the victors, the spoils. - Pfranz Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter "To the victors, the spoils." #99587 04/04/03 04:24 AM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 866 Perth, Western Australia stales OP old hand OP stales old hand Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 866 Perth, Western Australia Who said that first? stales Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "To the victors, the spoils." #99588 04/04/03 07:23 AM Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,692 UK D dxb Pooh-Bah dxb Pooh-Bah D Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,692 UK Senator William Learned Marcy of New York in 1832. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "To the victors, the spoils." #99589 04/04/03 10:12 AM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Capfka Pooh-Bah Capfka Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Looks like you're right dxb. I thought it was Marlowe! - Pfranz Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Go Navy! #99590 04/12/03 02:52 AM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 866 Perth, Western Australia stales OP old hand OP stales old hand Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 866 Perth, Western Australia Well Shipmates - it took a few weeks, but finally heard back from the USN on the alleged drinking habits aboard the USS Constitution: "You are in fact having you leg pulled. This story is perhaps the most frequently spread untruth about the CONSTITUTION and certainly the one I am asked to respond to most often. It makes a great story - emphasizing the ability of our sailors to consume alchohol - but is not only improbable, but impossible. *While it is true that CONSTITUTION cruised the West Indies during this time frame, it was to protect US shipping from FRENCH privateers, not the British. *CONSTITUTION was moored in Boston Massachusetts from 10 November through 28 December 1798, which negates the trip overseas. *Of the vessels engaged with CONSTITUTION during 1799, none of them were British, all were French. *CONSTITUTION was in port at Prince Rupert's Bay, Dominica between 24 January through 01 February 1799. One should also note, that the consumption of alchohol on board ship was carefully measured and monitored. Sailors were regulated to rations of rum a day, equaling about a pint total. The rum was guarded by marines and doled out my the ship's Master at Arms. I hope that this information is what you were looking for. Respectfully, SN Tamara Morris, USS CONSTITUTION So now we know. Apologies to those (any?) that took it as kosher, there did seem to be a question over the whole thing from the outset. stales Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Navy reciprocity #99591 04/13/03 03:44 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA W wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA A few years ago we had sailors from an American ship and a British ship in Portsmouth at the same time. In course of conversation it emerged that English ships allow liquor aboard .. in Officers Mess, Chief's Mess etc. None on US ships. However aboard the US ships you can get breakfsst at any time of day or night. Sailors all said they liked it when they were moored alongside. Booze and breakfast a "fair exchange." Just a bit of lore. No significance! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Proof #99592 04/17/03 04:41 PM Joined: May 2000 Posts: 24 B beanie stranger beanie stranger B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 24 I always thought "proof" referred to the yeast used in brewing. When a brewer -- or a baker -- activates yeast by mixing it with a another substance, such as water or milk, he is said to be "proofing" the yeast. Not sure why it now indicates the strength of alcohol. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Proof #99593 04/17/03 05:01 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Proof meant (and still does in certain contexts) test. It can have a lot of different meanings depending. The exception can prove the rule and find it wanting. The brewer will proof the yeast to find out if it's still alive. The distiller proofs the spirit against a standard and gives it a numeric value based on its relation to that standard. By the time the spirit gets to the distiller the yeast is long gone. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter probable YART - I didn't look it up #99594 04/17/03 05:13 PM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,534 Likes: 1 Worcester, MA W wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,534 Likes: 1 Worcester, MA Proof meant (and still does in certain contexts) test Exceptio probit reglam or whatever the accurate Latin is The exception tests the rule ( NOT "proves" ) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 5 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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