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Oh, wwh! I found a site with philosophical writings--great fun browsing there. And, in reading about the difference between jealousy and envy, came across your old friend fungible. Thought you and other AWADers might enjoy reading the passage: "Ordinary language tends to conflate envy and jealousy. The philosophical consensus is that these are distinct emotions.[2] While it is linguistically acceptable to say that one is jealous upon hearing about another's vacation, say, it has been plausibly argued that one is feeling envy, if either, in such a case. Both envy and jealousy are three-place relations; but this superficial similarity conceals an important difference. Jealousy involves three parties, the subject, the rival, and the beloved; and the jealous person's real locus of concern is the beloved—the person whose affection he is losing or fears losing—not his rival. Whereas envy is a two party relation, with a third relatum that is a good (albeit a good that could be a particular person's affections); and the envious person's locus of concern is the rival. Hence, even if the good that the rival has is the affection of another person, there is a difference between envy and jealousy.[3] Roughly, for the jealous person the rival is fungible and the beloved is not fungible. So he would be equally bothered if the beloved were consorting with someone else, and would not be bothered if the rival were. Whereas in envy it is the other way around. Because envy is centrally focused on competition with the rival, the subject might well be equally bothered if the rival were consorting with a different (appealing) person, but would not be bothered if the ‘good’ had gone to someone else (with whom the subject was not in competition). Whatever the ordinary meaning of the terms ‘envy’ and ‘jealousy,’ these considerations demonstrate that these two distinct syndromes need to be distinguished." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/envy/#1
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So he would be equally bothered if the beloved were consorting with someone else - In my experience, this is rather an oversimplification: the degree of jealousy is influenced by the attitude of the rival. But maybe this is because jealousy and envy tend to occur as a mixed syndrome.
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Yes! Here's the link to our previous, and wonderful, discussion of jealousy and envy. Check particularly the posts of my long-lost (sob) Nicholas and my beloved Father Steve. http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=28363P.S.--If anyone feels it's worth bringing that thread back up to the top, go ahead and make a post in it. I'd love to see it all again, but won't make everyone go through it if I'm the only one who'd like to.
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Dear WW: This distinction between words is an excellent example of what I woulld like to see more of in AWADtalk.
I had not noticed the difference before, because, of course,
I have never been either envious or jealous. What, never? No, never. So jealousy involves a rivalry, envy does not.
And if one has several rivals, they could be thought ogf as fungible. It would be fun to turn them into giblets.
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