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#92948 - 02/10/03 09:51 AM Re: Honkin' big
Bean Offline
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I think I've mentioned this before but anyway..in "typical" Canadian English the vowels in hock and hawk have merged, that is, they are pronounced the same. So Canadians (on average, and including myself) see the following word pairs as homophones:

hock/hawk
don/dawn (this can be awkward since Don is a man's name and Dawn is a woman's name)
tot/taught
cot/caught
awful/offal
cod/cawed

I think this may be the case for some parts of the US - I remember looking at some vowel map at the American Dialect Society - but I can't remember the details anymore. Anyway, hock/hawk sounds perfectly normal to my ears but I can see the source of confusion.


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#92949 - 02/10/03 09:55 AM Re: Honkin' big
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honk, honker

When I was a kid, and through high school (Central New Jersey, NYC area), we always used to say for spitting "honk up a good one" or "what a honker" or "that's a big honker".

And "honkey" was a disparagement for white folks.

raunchy

Another favorite high school expression was "man, that's raunchy!" for something that's smelly or nasty in any repulsive way. "Get that raunchy thing away from me!"

bananas

It was recently in the news that bananas have a good chance of disappearing within 10 years as they are genetically unable to fend off disease...unless one of our bio-geneticist maestros saves the day and saves our bananas (I love bananas!)

he mispelled my name

Pfranz, okay?

Candian geese

Uh, ladies...that's Canada geese.



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#92950 - 02/10/03 10:01 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Boston accent(hi, wow!)

For some reason folks with a stong Boston>New England accent (see the kennedys) change any word with a final syllable of "-a" to "-er"...as in Americer, Canader, staminer, etc. I had a German teacher for three years in high school who was from Boston and who spoke English with a heavy Boston accent...talk about trying to decipher that twist of accenting!


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#92951 - 02/10/03 10:04 AM Re: Honkin' big
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Bean, why do Canadians pronounce about "aboot"? (or mebbe you wanna ask why USns pronounce aboot "about"? )


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#92952 - 02/10/03 10:06 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
Buffalo Shrdlu Offline
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this whole tot/taught, cot/caught thang is a giant yart. just to chop some liver.


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#92953 - 02/10/03 10:11 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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just to chop some liver

Hawk liver!? ...I'd rather eat ham hocks!


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#92954 - 02/10/03 10:11 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
Jackie Offline

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Oh, but giant yarts are allowed on Mondays!


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#92955 - 02/10/03 10:17 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
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giant yarts are allowed on Mondays!

Where a giant yart is defined as one that will sleep 20 or more,


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#92956 - 02/10/03 10:19 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
Bean Offline
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OK, you YARTophobes, the bit about "where in the US have these vowels merged" is still unanswered, and I'm not in the mood to look for it. Instead of making fun of me you could get your Googlers out and get working!

I was just pointing out a possibility, and slightly miffed that Jackie insinuated that those of us who don't differentiate between those vowels are pronouncing things improperly. [pout] I say, when a whole group of people pronounces things a particular way, then it is the right way for them! I will never be able to casually make my mouth all pointy the way you need to to pronounce awful, hawk, dawn, etc., with different vowels than the others!


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#92957 - 02/10/03 10:20 AM Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Where a giant yart is defined as one that will sleep 20 or more,

Oh, you mean like Michael Jackson's bedroom?




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