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#90687 01/01/03 11:53 PM
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Dear Capfka: for the hell of it, I searched for "abolescent" and found a whole buch of typos that
should have been "adolescent". Some were funny. But I ti get one hit:
Magnae nationes stoicae crescent, epicureae abolescent! (Great nations rise stoic
and die epicurean!) ... And ancient Rome is a fine example. ...

PS: I doubt that "epicurean" really fitted the last of the Romans. "Effete" might be closer.


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I would think that the sense to die was the derived meaning and disappearing or fading away was the primary meaning. It seems to be related to aboleo, abolish. Aboleo might derive from oleo, smell, with the ab- being the inseparable prefix denoting separation. Not quite sure yet what that means but it sounds like it should be significant.


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Aboleo sounds and looks as though it should be related to "abolish," which is pretty close to the fading-away/dying meaning first proposed.


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I would think that the sense to die was the derived meaning and disappearing or fading away was the primary meaning. It seems to be related to aboleo, abolish. Aboleo might derive from oleo, smell, with the ab- being the inseparable prefix denoting separation. Not quite sure yet what that means but it sounds like it should be significant.

It seems to me that as one's separation from a smell increases, so that smell fades or dies away.



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abolish v. [a. Fr. aboliss-, lengthened stem of abolir:L. abolesc-ere, inceptive of abole-re to grow out of use, and transf. to destroy, do away with; f. ab off, away + obs. ole-re to grow. In Eng. as in French always trans.]



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Forget what English dictionaries have to say about Latin words, that way lies madness. Here are the basic definitions discussed above:

aboleo -ere -evi -itum [to destroy , do away with].

abolesco -ere -evi [to perish].

abolitio -onis f. [removing , annulling, abolition].

Like, but not like. As someone or other said.

- Pfranz

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Forget what English dictionaries have to say about Latin words

I've gotten all my information, so far, from Latin dictionaries

Well Latin-English dictionaries

Aboleo sounds and looks as though it should be related to "abolish,"

What's Latin for "chopped liver"?


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I rejoice that we are starting the New Year off right by talking about words.


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The agressor pleads that it was an accident but is still charged with manslaughter on the grounds that he "takes the victim as he is."

I can't think of a Latin phrase, but believe that we learned this as the "thin-skull" doctrine.


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...but still no Latin equivalent expression:

http://www.nancyralph.com/Dilemma.htm


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