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#76297 - 07/19/02 05:15 AM Re: noun for socially destructive person
Vernon Compton Offline
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not sure but i think it was in the long dark teatime of the souls


I have it on good authority that it comes from "So long, and thanks for all the fish"


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#76298 - 07/19/02 09:39 AM Re: noun for socially destructive person
TEd Remington Offline
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Try The Joys of Yiddish by the other Rosten. There's a definition in there. tsuris maybe? My copy is packed away somewhere (I hope that I didn't lend it to an uncircumcised Philistine who committed the unpardonable sin of not returning a lent-out book.)

Or is tsuris the type of trouble? Gosh, getting old has its downside. But beats the hell out of the alternative.

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#76299 - 07/19/02 11:43 AM Tsuris
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is a Yiddish word for trouble or woe. So a person who inflicts same might be a tsurist?

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#76300 - 07/19/02 11:47 AM Re: Tsuris
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So a person who inflicts same might be a tsurist? Only if they're not in their home town!

Welcome to you, yomintz (I also thought the first letter was v.) Hope somebody comes up with the right term--this is an interesting concept.


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#76301 - 07/20/02 09:42 PM close but no cigar
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How 'bout Frankenstein?

WO'N, close but no cigar. Found this in my dic. of class. all. etc:

...The monster, who in the course of time has usurped the name of his creator, initially yearns for human sympathy. Rejected, he turns on his maker and, destroying everyone he loves, hounds him to his death. Symbolically, the creation that turns on its creator.

still searching through dictionary, hoping for help....think we are looking for something like "a Cassandra" or similar (but NOT Cassandra - poor lass, she had rather different troubles)

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#76302 - 07/20/02 09:56 PM into "L" now!
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I wonder if "Lancelot" is close?

Although he generally represents the very model of knightly chivalry, his adulterous love for Guinevere tarnishes his image somewhat. It contributed to the failure of his quest for the Holy Grail, the collapse of the fellowship of the Round Table, and the death of Arthur.

Mmm. Not quite right. I'll keep looking....

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#76303 - 07/20/02 10:07 PM not quite right either
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feels a little closer, this, but still not quite right:

Parsifal....a "pure fool," some guileless and innocent knight....

Ever onward....

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#76304 - 07/20/02 10:12 PM Hm.
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Pickwick. ...Mr Pickwick was in the habit of using highly insulting language in a completely unmeaning and harmless way - hence the phrase "in a Pickwickian sense" is descriptive of word usage that departs from the sense commonly understood.

Dammit, that's not it either. All these seem to contain elements of what we're after, but none of them is quite right.

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#76305 - 07/20/02 10:18 PM Hm, part II
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Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. ...Not really important enough to be evil but too foolish to be good...

Maybe if we combined all these names...!

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#76306 - 07/20/02 10:30 PM failure
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Well I bin all thru that damn Dictionary of Classical, Biblical, and Literary Allusions, with no success. The above entries are the best I can offer. This is bluddy frustrating! it's on the tip of my brain but I just can't get it....

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