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#74537 - 06/30/02 11:06 AM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
Buffalo Shrdlu Offline
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The one I like best is
"grow two trees from one seed"
It has two very nice (in the 'precise' sense of that overused word!) advantages: it stands the proverbial phrase on its head, metaphorizing birth instead of killing; and it shares with the original the aspect of being highly improbable on the literal level.


well, said, grump! that was my favorite, as well. the world needs all the help it can get to get past our violent metaphors and expressions...

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#74538 - 06/30/02 11:09 AM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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Wordwind says, "The url's too long to paste. I'll see whether it can be reduced later today."

Done for you. Here you go: http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26715A21




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#74539 - 06/30/02 11:13 AM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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Don't let keiva's supposed helpfulness fool you.
he was banned, and force his way back by extortion.
he is not wanted here



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#74540 - 06/30/02 12:15 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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As of troy said, Keiva is contemptible.


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#74541 - 06/30/02 01:37 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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wwh spake:
>> And yet, none of the alternative suggestions is as terse and clear as the original. <<
to which I reply:
Huh?
"to grow two trees from one seed" is exactly as terse and clear as
"to kill two birds with one stone"--
(well, OK, not *quite* as terse, being longer by one letter...)
;-) Ch.S.



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#74542 - 06/30/02 01:48 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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Isn't there some kind of gun shot that spreads so that a hunter could get several birds with one blast of the gun?

Without looking it up, betcha this is where we get the words scattershot and birdshot.


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#74543 - 06/30/02 01:57 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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Keiva: you were banned from AWADtalk for starting a flamewar,
and refusing to quit. You extorted a reprive from Wordsmith
by threat of a lawsuit. You are completely contemptible.


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#74544 - 06/30/02 04:00 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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Grump wrote: >>But in a way it is exactly that casual--or thoughtless--reference to unnecessary killing which is problematic, and helps makes the term offensive!

All too PC for me, Grump. The language is the language and merely wishing it otherwise will not make it change. Your desire to eradicate the phrase from the language may well succeed if you campaign vigorously enough across the entire English-speaking world. I wish you well with it. Good luck!

- Pfranz

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#74545 - 06/30/02 06:01 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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The expression about killing two birds with one stone

Even in days "when killing birds was necessary to get food," I can't imagine that throwing stones at them was an very effective method. It wouldn't work: even a professional baseball pitcher can't consistently hit a spot the size of a bird. I'd think the only practical method would be trapping, as by limed twigs.

So if there was not a food-gathering practice of throwing stones at birds, where did the expression come from?


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#74546 - 06/30/02 06:23 PM Re: Two Birds with One Stone
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All too PC for me, Grump. The language is the language and merely wishing it otherwise will not make it change.


ah, yes, but he's doing more than just wishing, he's talking about it... I would think anyone with an interest in words would truly understand that language is powerful, and to ignore those phrases which don't fit our hopes for the future must be discussed, and over time, changed.

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I can't imagine that throwing stones at them was an very effective method.


I would think we're talking about using a sling, rather than throwing. my understanding of the sling indicates that it is a very effective tool.


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