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I have a question. I am not english speaker and I don't know how to pronounce "won" ( past form of verb win). I am confused becouse dictionaries give many options:). Please write me how do you pronounce it. thanks
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"Won" rhymes with one, sun, son, done, bun, fun, gun, run. If you have the right software, there are dictionaries that pronounce words.
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Try http://www.m-w.com. Type the word 'won' into the dictionary portion and hit enter. Click the small speaker icon next to the word. It will pronounce the word for you. k
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"Won" rhymes with one, sun, son, done, bun, fun, gun, runHmmm, not over this side of the Pond it doesn't, wwh! "Won" sounds exactly the same as "one" but that's as far as it goes. It also rhymes with "gone" and the names "Don" and "Ron". Though I'll bet Adam is happy with American pronunciation, and I suppose I can handle that..   Fisk
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tell us more adam-- we have some regulars who's first language is italian and several who are very fluent in spanish, one in who is fluent in portugues. What is your first language?
and how did you find this place? there are so many on-line dictionaries that do offer wav files, i am surprize you found your way here, before finding one of them.
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So I am from Poland. My first language is polish, but I am also learning spanish and french. I found a link to wordsmith.org on a site for teachers of english. Because dictionaries gave several options how to pronounce "won", I decided to ask native speakers. And here I am:)
I must say that I am still confused. I imagine that you told me the American english pronunciation, and what about British?
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Welcome aboard, adam. A pleasure to have you with us.
Since I'm not british I can't directly answer your question, but I believe that this is not one of those words where the british and US pronunciations differ.
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Welcome, Adam. You've asked for the British pronunciation of "won" - and Fish on a Bike IS British. He's posted the British pronunciation above. There is actually some difference, as he points out. If you listen to Keiva, who doesn't acknowledge the international differences or perspectives of others, you'll get little more than assumptions. He likes to respond to everything. Don't let him misguide your understanding of the language. Good luck here. 
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I can't even post a simple "hello", without getting yelled at? Come now.
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My people say that won is pronounced like my name.
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I have a american speaker question for adam, but the queen is looking quite spiffy in her new outfit that I should be paying attention instead of asking the *proverbial unanswerable question.
Welcome back, juan.
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yes, and one has to wonder about coincidences.. Like WO'N, won, Juan, and even Adam's interest in won, or is that WO'N, or Juan?
Sock puppet's can be transparent to more than one person. and its so easy to have your sock puppet feed you a line.. and together you can play games, isn't it so? oh, my how clever you are, when you talk to yourself. the conversations at your dinner table must be facinating!
Most of the sock puppets on the awad of late are pretty one dimentional. they don't pretend to be anything but gadflys, that buzz in and out, trying to annoy keiva.
but everytime that happens, there is, at the same time a sudden influx of new users, who come and post for the very first time! these user spring to life from foriegn countries, with cute little faux pas in their spelling, asking petty little questions.. they come complete with history, and arrive, oh, 10 to 15 minutes after a gadfly has successfully bitten keiva! its a pretty consistant pattern. Now, let me think? do i know anyone who's behavior can be identified by lies, deciet, and patterns?
think about it! Now, Adam, you did say your name was Adam, just what did you want to know about the word won?
i can tell you, its the opposite of lost.
Do you know the word loser? a loser is the one who didn't win. but the word also has a more general meaning. it means a sad, pitiful person, the kind that destroys the playground, gets banned, and then complains that he was banned, and when he gets let back in, has no one to play with, he makes up friends for himself. imaginary friends.. their the only kind a loser has.
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Did I say something bad? What's your point, I don't get it? Could you tell me it straight. thanks
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With all respect, ma'am, I am not adam, nor do I have the slightest idea who adam is. If I were creating doppelgangers, why use one for a post like adam's at the start of this thread? What would it gain me? Doppelganger-names like "equalizer" serve an obvious function in what we might call the "Great Debate" (there have been 17(!) of them there¹; indeed, that debate has been heavily infested with doppelgangers) -- but adam is not speaking in that matter. It speaks well of you that you are one of the few people (I count only two) who routinely has the courage to conduct the "Great Debate" under their regular screen-name. One admires the "courage of one's convictions", even if one disagrees with the convictions or tactics themselves. You are one who has had that courage. I am the other.² ¹ In the traditions of "archie": (1) archedbrow; (2) Annagraham; (3) arosebyanyname; (4) equalizer; (5) Pheonix; (6) PissandMoan; (7) RawNerve; (8) scorpionstings; (9) SickandTired; (10) Snoot; and, going back a bit farther in time: (11) debunker; (12) RumShotGiles; (13) MrSoHugeList; (14) GimletsHours; (15) Egotism Hurls; (16) MisterGhouls; (17) gizmoHustler² Of course, each of us doubtless suspects the other of also using doppelgangers in that Debate.
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adam asks, Did I said something bad?
Nothing you did wrong, adam. You just happened to walk in at a time when people are suspicious and edgy.
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I understand your concern, adam. It seems as if your inconsistant use/nonuse of contractions suggest you are *pulling our leg* about your inability to use, understand or hear the English language, but, then again, that's not what we speak here, anyway. It'll all be fine, don't worry. [edit]"equalizer" serve an obvious function Obvious to you, maybe.  why use one for a post like adam's at the start of this thread? Adam, it is *statements like this, which show a lack of respect for our intelligence made under the precept of "with all respect", that makes us a little "suspicious". [ps. I call them *statements because, obviously, that's their function )
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adam, I see that you and I are on-line simultaneously. Could you please stay on-line for a few minutes, so that musick can verify the the two of us show up simultaneously on the "who's on-line" screen? That may help convince musick that you and I are indeed separate people.
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hey musick, did you ever hear of a home network? or DSL lines? they have some great features i hear, 2 people with 2 computers can log on at the same time! and even more amazing, 1 person can log on two computers at the same time, would you believe it? why some one could be adam and keiva right at the same time!
and do you remember a user called AphonicRants? he log on before Keiva was banned, Oh, forgot, Aphonic Rants was Keiva's sock puppet, so i guess keiva just told a white one... and he has also used sock puppets..
thing is, piss and moan, and RawNerve, and equalizer, why they don't pretend to be anything but old timers hidding. but AphonicRant was a phony, and really got pissed when JHM outted him. he thought he was fooling everybody then too...
guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks, can you? and maybe sometime, even on the internet, someone does know a dog.
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I don't know where you got the idea that I think you and adam are the same people. I'd be more apt to think you were juan, but.
Talk about "suspicious"... at least we are defining a word here.
Hey adam, suspicious is pronounced "sa - spi - shus".
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Have we now gotten to the point that an innocent newcomer cannot make his maiden post without being attacked?"
[Post-edit regarding musick's response below: I speak of asserts attacks made by of-troy, not by musick; that's clear if you view in threaded mode.]
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Adam, just since I know this is parbably coming to you in a "different form", I thought I'd make my intentions and sense of humor clear (for your sake)... as these are the words I used directed at you in my last few posts. I have a american speaker question for adam, but the queen is looking quite spiffy in her new outfit that I should be paying attention instead of asking the *proverbial unanswerable question. As I'm standing next to my girlfreind (the queen) on a warm summer day... I'm being tempted to distract myself from this conversation, as it holds little (and even less, now) appeal compared to the mini-skirt she is wearing. She was watching me type this. I understand your concern, adam. It seems as if your inconsistant use/nonuse of contractions suggest you are *pulling our leg* about your inability to use, understand or hear the English language, but, then again, that's not what we speak here, anyway. This is a pretty clear explaination of what *occurred, certainly not an attack. Adam, it is *statements like this, which show a lack of respect for our intelligence made under the precept of "with all respect", that makes us a little "suspicious". Again, this doesn't refer to anything adam said, but rather a simple description of my perspective, which by this time he/she deserved. (I'll bet it's a "he" ) Hey adam, suspicious is pronounced "sa - spi - shus". Although a bit "tounge-in-cheek, I seemed pretty helpful to me! I hope this whole thing was helpful for you too, Keiva. It seems like the kind of structure you're familiar with.
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"More Light!"
- Goethe's last words
The Lone Haranguer
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I am very sad to see AWADtalk look like a lowbrow
news group, with phonies and tricks, and very
little about words or language, and abuse of
newcomers.
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what i did was to point out that keiva lied.
this is what he posted-- watch out, because he'll try to delete it: It speaks well of you that you are one of the few people (I count only two) who routinely has the courage to conduct the "Great Debate" under their regular screen-name. One admires the "courage of one's convictions", even if one disagrees with the convictions or tactics themselves.
You are one who has had that courage.
I am the other.²
(there followed a list of names, in white)
but I pointed out, the person known as Keiva has also been know, for certain, to post under the names AphonicRants and KeivaCarpal. He used the first of these name before he was banned, for flaming/flame wars.
he forced his way back into this forum by making implied threats to Anu Garg, the founder of AWAD.
Now, in one of his classic twists of the facts, he accuses me of being threatening. I guess, i am if you are threatened by the truth.
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see http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=miscellany&Number=73229. There you go again, of-troy. Interrupting thread after thread with the same old complaint; not letting anyone discusss anything else. Edit: Of-troy's repetitive post, immediately below, simply proves my point once again.
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the person know as Keiva, who recently posted on this thread, was banned, for flaming. he forced his way back into this forum by implied threats to Anu Garg, the founder of AWAD. this same person has also been know, for certain, to post under the names AphonicRants and KeivaCarpal.
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Keiva, go away. You are not welcome here.
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CzeϾ wszystkim!
Keiva poprosi³ mnie, abym napisa³ coœ po polsku.
Zaczynam rozumieæ co siê tu dzieje. Ten board jest jak wszystkie inne, ludzie tylko siê ze sob¹ k³óc¹, zamiast porozmawiaæ, podyskutowaæ na m¹dzrzejszy temat.
Napisa³em 16 czerwca 2002 godz. 10:40.
Hello everybody!
Keiva asked me to write something in Polish.
I beginig to realise what is happening here. This board is like all other ones, people are doing nothing but arguing, why don't you talk normally, disscus on more intelligent topic.
I wrote it 16th june 2002 10:40 am
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"I can tolerate anything except intolerance."
(This is from another thread, I believe Fisk quoted it.)
Is this irony? I still have a problem with this concept.
I know there was a thread started a long time ago about this but I do not know how to resurrect a thread so forgive me. I wish we could talk more about irony.
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Go away, Keiva. You are not wanted here.
You raped my identity with your faux handle 'AphonicRants.'
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Unlike 'MrSoHugeList'
or 'Egotism_Hurls'
or "go f**k yourself a new a**hole"
or spam attacks
or ... [you get the point]
As I said before:
When you start to flame, dear,
It's not me to blame, dear:
If you want a fight, you will get it.
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the person know as Keiva, who recently posted on this thread, was banned, for flaming.
he forced his way back into this forum by implied threats. this same person has also been know, for certain, to post under the names AphonicRants and KeivaCarpal.
he just threated an other flame war, and implied, my telling the truth about his actions flaming. the truth is not a flame.
Go away Keiva, you are not wanted here.
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I see that ASp has chosen to repeat the same thing in six separate threads.
There you go again, ASp, repeating verbatim your same old song. If you can't have your way, you'll interrupt to poison any other discussion on this board.
of-troy too, at least in this case. Their spam-attack on the board is on!
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Keiva: go away. You are not welcome here.
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The person known as Keiva, who recently posted on this thread, was banned for flaming. He forced his way back into this forum by implied legal threats to Anu Garg, the founder of AWAD. This same person has also been known to post under the names AphonicRants, KeivaCarpal.
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Wordwind, it is not I who is converting this board from a vehicle for words to a vehicle for spamming ridicule and invective. It is poisoning the board -- and it does not come from my mouth.
If you want the board to continue as nasty as now, then continue to post as you do above, and continue to interrupt others who are attempting to talk about words.
But if you want it to be a word-board, then make word-posts.
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The person known as Keiva, who recently posted on this thread, was banned for flaming. He forced his way back into this forum by implied legal threats to Anu Garg, the founder of AWAD.
Telling the truth is not a flaming. The truth is not spam.
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Keiva: You are very much unwelcome here.
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Dear WW: with respect, don't argue with him Just tell him he is unwecome.;He can't argue with that.
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Wordwind, it is not I who is converting this board from a vehicle for words to a vehicle for spamming ridicule and invective.This is a lie. Keiva made up an on-line name, AphonicRants, as an insulting anagram of a real person's on-line name. One of his earliest posts of AphonicRants, was, at best salacious. http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=66680&page=9&view=collapsed&sb=5 Keiva lied and said he never used doppelganger's , but Aphonic Rants was his doppelganger, and was established before he was banned. http://wordsmith.org/board/showprofile.pl?Cat=&User=AphonicRants& It is poisoning the board -- and it does not come from my mouth.Keiva poisoned the board by threatening individuals in PM's. Keiva poisoned the board by threatening Anu Garg. Keiva threatened to nuke the board.No, the words didn't come from you mouth, but you are responsible for you words.If you want the board to continue as nasty as now, then continue to post as you do above, and continue to interrupt others who are attempting to talk about words. Since when is it nasty to tell the truth? The truth is Keiva, what is nasty, is, when you were banned from this board, you bullied your way back in with threats. Now, that is nasty.As several have stated, telling the truth is a not flaming, nor is it spam. The truth is Keiva, you are a liar, a bully, a source of problems, and Keiva. Let me say it again, in case you haven't yet got the message; Go away, Keiva You are not wanted here.You might try to lie, and bully and blame others, again and again, like a whiny spoiled child. But each time, we will point out, it is you Keiva who are liar, a bully, a whining baby. You can stamp your feet, and lie down and scream, we don't care. We don't want a spoiled baby here.
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Dear Phoenix: Please, no rants. Keiva loves them Just short and sweet, and endlessly repeated:
Keiva: Go away. You are not welcome here.
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Once again, a word-thread is hijacked by those who insist on converting every discussion to their pet subject.
Bill, once again you are not speaking to the subject of this thread. (#2) Edit: bill's and bel's below, and pheonix's above, also are off the point of the thread. (##4, 5, 14)
Edit: Wordwind, regarding what you say you have "come to believe," see my comment to you in the "calling all ayleurs" thread.
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polskiGuess what, Adam? So am I - by blood (both parents) if not language. Sadly my parents thought there would be little advantage to me in knowing Polish.  However, I could talk for hours about gowompki, cotletti, barsht, wigilia, sczledje, buka, practically any Krakus product you like and especially about wisniowka and sliwowicz Perhaps save this for PMs unless we can find some English/Polish crossover words. Hmmm. Oh, but I know the most important word of all - Stolat! FiskP.S. I also note the "=!" rather than "!=" for "not equal to" - is this something to do with Reverse Polish Notation, Adam? No, this isn't a joke, folks - see below:http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.htmI'm also old enough to remember early calculators that used RPN!
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Nice to hear polish here:)
But I must say your spelling is not good:)
you mean--> go³¹bki, kotlety, barszcz, wigilia, bu³ka
Sto lat! FishonaBike
When we talk about "!=", I wasn't sure, but I was too lazy to check it out in my C++:)
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Dear Fishonabike: I remember my aunt, who was a pediatrician commenting on how
Polish-Americans were very careful to avoid profanity.Sixty years ago sher warned me
not to use the word "kielbasa" because it was a euphemism for penis.
Of course for past twenty years it has been on labels in every supermarket.
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I have never heard about ki³basa as a penis, but maybe 20 years ago, I am only 17.
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go³¹bki, kotlety, barszcz, wigilia, bu³kaYes, my friend - only heard, hardly ever spelt! Although you'll notice I spelt the forms of alcohol (above) a lot better (but for the lack of a genuine Polish character set). I wonder why?
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Do you know what do this words mean? I can explain it to you if you want.
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"kielbasa" ....a euphemism for penisinnocent bystanders please note that kielbasa is a type of smoked Polish sausage - and very nice it is tooSounds to me like someone's pulling someone's leg here, Bill! I suppose "pork sausage" is an occasional Brit euphemism/innuendo for penis, but that's strictly for belly laughs. Seaside and/or postcard humour, we'd call it. I'll bet that you find the meaning has been attributed the other way around in Polish, as well. Though I could well be wrong.  Adam? Fisk
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Do you know what do this words mean?
Do you mean these words - œliwowica i wiœniówka ?
If so, I most definitely know what they are (and have consumed them very often here in England), although their original meanings may be different from what I think.
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I can't even post a simple "hello"
You can say goodbye and piss off!
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Yes I agree with you kie³basa is a type of smoked Polish sausage as you said FIOAB.
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I meant go³¹bki, kotlety, barszcz, wigilia, bu³ka. I am sure you know what œliwowica and wiœniówka
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" can't even post a simple "hello"
You can say goodbye and piss off!"
Dear equalizer: You are doing just what Keiva was banned for.
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Here you are:
œliwowica- comes from "œliwka" which means plum, generally it is vodka made from plums.
wiœniówka- comes from "wiœnia" - cherry, generally vodka made from cherries.
œledŸ- herring, as you know very good with vodka:)
wigilia- X-mas Eve.
bu³ka- roll
barszcz- as soup made from beetroot
go³¹bki- meat with rise wraped with a cabbage. Funny is that this is a plurar form of "go³¹b"- pigeon
kotlety-chop
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You can still get new HPs that do RPN. My employer got me one last year that I've decimated. So they bought me a new one this year - a casio that doesn't do RPN.
RPN's nice for the programmer. In fact, when you've got an expression in infix notation (that's the normal, mathematical notation), it can be convenient to immediately convert it to postfix (rpn). You can very easily evaluate a postfix expression with two (or even one) stacks using maybe a few dozen lines of code. I always found it irritating as a user, but back in the day there weren't a lot of options.
I recall when I was in 8th grade my teacher (Mrs Rich) told us that when we went to college, we'd need to have $300 calculators. She couldn't have known that we would have much more powerful calculators at a fraction of the cost.
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Dear Adam and Fishonabike: How I wish there were some site where pronunication of Polish names and words could be found. I remember reading book by James Michener about Poland, and how the Polish aristocrats abused the peasants. In the beginning an estate named "Lancut" is mentioned. Only halfway through the book did Michener have the owner's wife tell a visitor that it was pronounced "Wine-sooth".
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Dear wwh, I am afraid that there is no such a site. Polish pronunciation is so complicated that it is impossible to write an engine that would pronounce words. What is more, polish internet is not very developed so... You know what I mean.
PS. I'll search something:)
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adam, it is so very delightful to have you here and posting. I am not polish, but grew up in an old polish neighborhood and heard the words frequently. When I was a young married lady, I moved back to the old neighborhood and was again comforted by the words I had heard as a child. It's like a warm blanket wrapped around you! Thank you for giving me something warm today and for bringing a smile to this face.
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Polish pronunciation is so complicated that it is impossible to write an engine that would pronounce wordsYes, adam - the real problem for English speakers is that familiar-looking letters are used in very unfamiliar ways. Polish is written down using something between the (errm, correct me if I'm wrong here, someone) Cyrilic and (errm) standard Western alphabet. And quite apart from that, English speakers are hardly consistent within their own alphabet: http://magazine.englishclub.com/199909.htm(namaste to good ol' MaxQ for this one!) Fisk
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You can very easily evaluate a postfix expression with two (or even one) stacks using maybe a few dozen lines of codeYou're just a bit clever, aren't you FF? I notice you also talked about AI (Artificial Intelligence) programming elsewhere. Have you ever tried getting computers to handle Natural Language or basic perceptual processing? It's a bloody nightmare, and just fills you with awe as to the stuff that we human beings do without batting an eyelid. Can't beat being given a new appreciation of life, and an enhanced sense of wonder. I sometimes think that's the greatest gift anybody can be given. Fisk
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œliwowica - we call it "plum brandy" rather than vodka. Not sure why. I suppose brandy implies fruit rather than grain as the main ingredient. wiœniówka - yep, cherry vodka! Looove this stuff. Having said which œliwowica is better if you intend to stay up all night. Well, even if you don't intend to, actually œledŸ - yep, herrings, which we would call rollmop herrings for some reason (I think because they tend to be rolled, though dunno where the "mop" bit comes from). Their taste is in the same area as strong blue cheese. wigilia - yep, Xmas Eve - when you eat œledŸ and fish exclusively! The beauty of Xmas to me as a child was that I got the whole Polish thing on wigilia (including opening presents "when you see the first star", meaning after dinner really) and the whole English thing the day after. bu³ka - ah, here we differ, adam. You think "roll", and I think "cake/very light sponge". I can remember my Mum visiting other Polish friends, and whilst all the kids messed around upstairs they'd have a chat and Kenwood Chef (blender) in constant operation for going on an hour or so. The resulting mix would be baked, resulting in a fantastic buttery/eggy airy spongey bready concoction. Not quite cake, as you could spread it with butter without it being too rich. But a lot more tasty than the tastiest bread. I've never tasted anything else like it really, and suppose I'll always miss it. Mum tells me it takes lots of making barszcz - yep, good ol' polski beetroot soup! Also partaken of at wigilia, occasionally with little pierogi (sp?) dropped in. go³¹bki Yep yep - minced meat mixed with rice, wrapped in (outside) cabbage leaves and braised in meaty/tomatoey stock. It's vaguely like the Greek recipe stuffed vine leaves, but a lot nicer. I hated them as a child but love them now kotlety Difference of meaning here, too, adam - my Mum calls Polish hamburgers (minced meat, egg, occasionally onion & garlic, occasionally breadcrumbs) kotlety. Hang on, do you mean "chop" as in the cut of meat, or "chop" as in the verb? Hmmm, overall I'm fairly impressed with how well I've been brought up knowing the important facets of Polish culture! Oh! How could I forget to mention bigos ?? Fisk
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You're just a bit clever, aren't you FF?
Well, no. I'm sortuva one act play. I'm familiar with some things because of school, work, interest, or unplanned experience. Most things I'm pretty boneheaded about.
I notice you also talked about AI (Artificial Intelligence) programming elsewhere. Have you ever tried getting computers to handle Natural Language or basic perceptual processing?
Never done the NLP thing, though I have some interest and have done a very little reading. I'm not sure what you mean by "basic perceptual processing." My master's thesis was on neural nets and that was mildly interesting. I was interested in having evolving systems of neural nets (at the time, there weren't more than 1 or two papers on the subject...now there are hundreds). Unfortunately, my thesis director didn't think that was a very interesting subject and so I left off at a silly and very useless tool for experiments. I did do some experiments on my own with evolving systems of competing NNs, where I tried to see if I could observe certain naturally occurring equations (volterra's), but I had no luck in that (and a job offer that took me from away from that interest). I suppose it's just as well. AI doesn't seem to be making many advances. Still, I often look back and wonder how the heck I got to where I am from where I was.
One of my profs was talking a while back and noted that orginally we (computer scientists) thought logic was going to be very difficult to manage, while pattern recognition would be a snap. It's turned out exactly the opposite is true. Logic is very trivial (well, by comparison). It's the pattern matching that's complicated. (In my mind, logic is a special case of pattern matching, but I follow his argument.) I suspect it's mostly fortuitous that our brains can handle things like mathematics in general and logic in particular. (We don't like to think logically - we like to think analogically.) I agree with him that it's the distinguishing things we can eat from things that can eat us where the interesting stuff lies.
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sortuva one act play. I'm familiar with some things because of school, work, interest, or unplanned experience. Most things I'm pretty boneheaded aboutJoin the club, mate. Not many "Renaissance Men" around these days . Mind you, they'd just have so much more they'd have to be good at. it's the distinguishing things we can eat from things that can eat us where the interesting stuff liesLove this. Although I think it's also important distinguishing things we can drink and the types thereof Fisk
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Dear FishonaBike
I can't agree with you more, really!
Your comprehension of bu³ka just great. You describtion of bu³ka is excellent! My english isn't so advanced to explain things in a such researched way ( This week I am passing FCE)
But when we talk about kotlety, this word has very broad meaning. What you are describing is kotlet mielony . Generally saying kotlet is a meet prepaired in such a way that looks like a hamburger. It doesn't have to be minced, and it could be a fried chop ( cut of meet).
And, of course, BIGOS. This is too complicated for me to explain it to you, how to make it, but I imagine you know what it is.
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Dear Adam: i grew up in a town with several shoe factories. Many employees were of Polish descent.
They had a custom of raising money for newlyweds by having guests pay for privilege of smashing old dishes and glasses by throwing them into fireplace. Have you ever heard of this custom?
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it's the distinguishing things we can eat from things that can eat us where the interesting stuff lies
Just to be clear - that's a very close paraphrase of what my prof said. (I probably should have put quotes around that part.)
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So, Polish alphabet has nothing to do with Cyrillic. The only differences from "our" and "yours" are added letters (¹,ê,³,¿,Ÿ,œ,æ), which are characteristic of Polish alphabet, that's all my friend. Of course, they are pronounced differently, because Polish is a Slovian language not as English, celtic(?).
Spanish written down is very similar to Polish. If you know Spanish just imagine that instead of "ch" we have "cz"
and you learn how to pronounce (¹,ê,³,¿,Ÿ,œ,æ) you can read almost every word! I see that there are some spanish speakers here, they would not have problems with Polish
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You see wwh, Poland have history twice as long as USA. We have so many traditions that it is hard to know them all. Even more, I am from central Poland, I don't know traditions from eastern Poland. We have very nice proverb Co wieœ to inna pieœñ ( I am sure a half of population of Poland don't (doesn't?) know this one). It means 'other village other song' (more or less).
I must point that "your" custom is very interesting:)
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Dear Adam: About a week ago, a contriubutor wanted to know origin of name "Carpathian" (mountains).
I could find nothing. Have you any means of finding out?
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I have all dictionaries of Polish but etymological one. Polish name for Carpathian mountains is just Karpaty , I don't have an idea what is the origin, but maybe karpa , which means tne part of a plant or a tree, that is under ground but not simply the root, it can also mean, that what remains after a tree is torn off and cuted ( this thing with the roots).
I like your question. I must check it at school on friday.
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Dear Adam: Perhaps the Polish root you give might mean that the present mountains are just remnants, the roots only, of mountains that many thousands of years were much taller.
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go³¹bki Yep yep - minced meat mixed with rice, wrapped in (outside) cabbage leaves and braised in meaty/tomatoey stock. It's vaguely like the Greek recipe stuffed vine leaves, but a lot nicer. I hated them as a child but love them now
Oooo, we call those "cigar au chou" - cabbage cigar. LOVE the stuff.
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go³¹bki And my Canadian grandmother just called them Cabbage Rolls an my mother in law called them pigs in the blanket. By the way, I hope that copied Ok. I am not getting the polish letters on my screen: I am getting numbers instead! 
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Dear belMarduk: Do you know how to make mincemeat? first you have to shoot a mince................
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When I was laying on my bad I got an idea how to explain to you pronunciation of go³¹bki, it is just like Go-omb-key. I am proud of myself:)
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Hailing from largely Eastern European heritage hi, nancyk! I've been following this thread with great interest. My mother and her family is Slovak and always made traditional foods...stuffed cabbage; stuffed peppers; paska (for Easter); bobalky (baked bread rolls with sauerkraut or poppyseed and honey) and special rolled cookies filled with lekvar or apricot called rushky(sp?) for Christmas; and, of course colbasse, pronounced coal-bäs (kielbasi): if you don't eat ham and colbasse, and stuffed cabbage, for the holidays, even if you're a vegetarian, it's an insult--tradition, you know!...and, BTW, she called stuffed cabbage halupki-- and I'm also half Hunky [Hungarian] on my father's side...not to mention that the pronunciation of my board name WO'N seems to be in synch with the thread (hmmm). (and nobody mentioned Won-Ton Soup! ...One Ton soup would be pretty heavy soup, wouldn't it? ). But here's a list of Polish pronunciations and words I came across that may help add something to this conversation: Polish Language Polish language is one of the slovian language group, Indo-European language family. It's one of the most difficult languages in the world; so, if you're not slovian it will be hard to learn the spelling and grammar. Older people rarely speak a foreign language; the most popular among them is German. Adults often speak Russian, and youth speaks English. But Polish people are very polite and helpful if you want to get any information. It will be good for you to know some basic words. It could help you a lot. Spelling: 1- like French "on" c- never like "k", always "ts" a- soft "tsh" ci- soft "tshe" cz- hard "tsh" e- like french "un" ch- the same as "h" j- like English "y" l- soft l, spelled like "w" n- like "ni" ó, u- like English "oo" o- soft "sh" si- soft "she" sz- like "sh" w- like "v" q, v- rarely in use, only in foreign words z, rz- like "j" Some useful words: expensive/ cheap- drogi/ tani cold /hot- zimny/ goracy day/ night- dzien/ noc Good morning, good afternoon- dzien dobry Good evening - dobry wieczór Good night - dobranoc Good bye - do widzenia Where/ when/ how - Gdzie/ kiedy/ jak Sorry- przepraszam thank you- dziekuje please- prosze I love you - Kocham cie left/ right- lewo/ prawo I don't understand- nie rozumiem what time is it? - która godzina? do you speak English? - czy mówisz po angielsku? Yes/ no - tak/ nie One, first- jeden; pierwszy [yeah-den; pyervshee] 2- dwa; drugi [dva; droogee] 3- trzy; trzeci [tshee; tshetsi] 4- cztery; czwarty [tshteree; tshvartee] 5- piec; piaty [pyeuci; pyontee] 6- szesc; szosty [shesh'; shoostee] 7- siedem, siodmy [shiedem; shioodmee] 8- osiem 9- dziewiec [djevieutsh] 10- dziesiec [djeshieutsh] 11- jedenascie [yedenashtshie] 14- czternascie [tshternashtshie] 15- pietnascie [pytnashtshie] 16-szesnascie 19- dziewietnascie 20- dwadziescia 30- trzydziesci 40- czterdziesci 50- piecdziesiat 60- szescdziesiat 100- sto 200- dwiescie 300- trzysta 500- piecset 1000- tysiac 1000000- milion from http://www.katowice.aiesec.pl/Incoming/Booklet.htm
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Dear Adam: Many years ago my favorite uncle managed the dairy at Northampton State Hospital. One of the workmen was Polish, and called my uncle something that souned like "Froodimar". He could never find out what it meant, but the old man evidently meant it as a respectful title. Can you guess what the word was, and what it most probably meant?
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Sorry, but I have no idea. there are only few words in Polish that start with a "fr", I've checked them. I found nothing that can describe a person. Maybe it wasn't like "Froodimar".
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Go-omb-keyYes, adam, that's very useful to all. Now why didn't I think of incorporating such pronunciations where I listed all the words?
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Hello and a belated welcome, adam! I am impressed by how much your English has improved since your first post. AWADtalk is a wonderful tutor. You learn all kinds of things here.
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cigar au chou...Cabbage rolls...pigs in the blanketAs Aint Anna has just mentioned, it's amazing what you learn on this Board. I'd always thought of gowompki (sorry adam, writing as it sounds) as fairly uniquely Polish, or at least Eastern European, but clearly they've travelled quite a bit further than that Just occurs to me that gowompki meaning "pigeons" is entirely appropriate - as is Angel's "pigs in the blanket" - if you consider their appearance. They come out shaped like medium sized birds (minus head, tail and legs) and are coloured light olive green with a touch of blue. Very poetic! Fisk
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