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#71559 - 05/28/02 12:03 PM Re: Bubble and squeak
dxb Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/06/02 Posts: 1692 Loc: UK	maybe bubble and squeak has more of a soup-like consistency wonders Wordwind In my experience, bubble and squeak consists of potato and cabbage mixed up dry and usually formed into a cake, but sometimes freeform, and then fried. It should be made from the day before's leftovers. It is delicious and maybe healthy if you use olive oil to fry with. dxb.
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#71560 - 05/28/02 12:09 PM Re: Dublin Coddle
of troy Carpal Tunnel Registered: 10/17/00 Posts: 5400 Loc: rego park	RE: praties is Gaelic for potatoes the T in praties is pronounced like a d pradies , just as Patty (Patrick) is Paddy- (as in paddy wagon). We didn't call it a coddle, but a boiled dinner. (and boiled beef, if you had mostly beef in it, instead of sausage) then again, my family were dubliners, and we just called it stew (but our style of stew, (lamb and beef) is called dublin stew by others, Irish stew just has lamb.) now days, almost everywhere but NY you can get a NY steak (a cut, like T-bone or sirloin) in NY they are just shell steaks! Just like there is no canadian bacon in canada, and i suspect, no such thing as a "London Broil" (an other cut of meat for steak) in London. _________________________ my other obsession
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#71562 - 05/28/02 12:55 PM Re: Praties
Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13653	I don't think it's Gaelic MacBain's (http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html) et al. list buntàta as the Scots Gaelic. MacBain's is an etymological dictionary and it gives the Irish Gaelic as potáta or fataidhe.
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#71563 - 05/28/02 02:24 PM Re: Dublin Coddle
Bean old hand Registered: 01/18/01 Posts: 1156	boiled dinner I've probably mentioned this before but it was a long time ago. Boiled dinner here in Newfoundland means salt beef, potatoes, cabbage, peas pudding, carrots, all boiled together. Also called Jiggs' dinner. (I don't think anyone knows who Jiggs was or what that refers to.) It must be a direct descendant of helen's boiled dinner, since so many people here have Irish roots. I've only had it once, myself, since I'm not a Newfoundlander. The salt beef tasted like corned beef to me. (Which makes sense.) We had a special treat the night we tried Jiggs Dinner - moose - typically associated with Newfoundland although it was actually introduced here, it's not native to the island! It was yummy.
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#71564 - 05/28/02 02:29 PM Re: Praties
Hyla addict Registered: 12/14/00 Posts: 544 Loc: San Francisco, CA	buntàta as the Scots Gaelic... Irish Gaelic as potáta or fataidhe. These words all have an obvious derivation from the Spanish patata, which makes sense given that the Spanish originally brought the potato to Europe from South America. But it made me curious about the original name, presumably given by the Incas or a predecessor people. AHD yielded the following: Spanish patata, alteration (probably influenced by Quechua papa, white potato) of Taino batata, sweet potato. Now, I know a little about indigenous languages of Central and South America (and I emphasize, a little), but I had never heard of Taino. So, I looked it up in AHD and was surprised to discover that it is the origin language for a surprising number of words common today (and that it comes from the Arawak people of the Bahamas and the Antilles): savannah, cay, yucca, hammock, mangrove, cassava, hurricane, and barbecue. So when the Antipodeans toss some prawns on the barby, they are using an Antillean word. Who ever would have thought that the language of a now-extinct people on a smallish group of islands dominated for centuries by the Spanish would have contributed so many words to English? Kind of makes me interested in words, ya know?
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#71565 - 05/28/02 03:01 PM Re: Praties
Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13653	an obvious derivation from the Spanish patata MacBain's comments that they are from English, but, of course, the English is from Spanish (ultimately from Taino). The Scots contains a bit of folk etymology, the bun meaning root.
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#71566 - 05/28/02 03:02 PM Re: Colcannon
Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/06/00 Posts: 2788 Loc: Seattle, Washington, USA	The "cannon" in colcannon is from the Old Irish ceannan meaning white-headed. The "coddle" in Dublin Coddle is from the transitive verb meaning to cook in water just below the boiling point. The difference between "colcannon" and "bubble and squeak" might be the difference between English and Irish, but that is only a suspicion.
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#71567 - 05/28/02 03:35 PM Re: Colcannon
Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/30/01 Posts: 6296 Loc: Piedmont Region of Virginia, U...	Well, I wonder how the verb to mollycoddle fits into all this, if at all? WW PS: Thanks, Father Steve, for the derivations!
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#71568 - 05/28/02 10:49 PM Re: Jiggs' Dinner
Bobyoungbalt veteran Registered: 11/22/00 Posts: 1289	Jiggs was the chief character in the George McManus comic strip Bringing Up Father which ran from around WWI until a few years ago. Jiggs was an Irish laborer who somehow struck it rich. His wife, Maggie, got the Society bug and became super-correct, trying to get in to Society. Jiggs is nearly always drawn wearing formal morning dress with a silk top hat. Although Maggie has made herself over, Jiggs keeps regressing to his old days. He spends as much time as he can in Dinty Moore's saloon (Yes, the canned beef stew is named for this institution) and he always wants corned beef and cabbage. which he can't have at home because it's too low-class. Corned beef and cabbage is the basic boiled dinner, called New England Boiled Dinner in these parts.
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