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#71537 - 05/27/02 01:36 PM *dung* in the OED
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(a sampling)

bedung - to treat with dung or manure; to befoul with dung; also fig.

delundung - [Native Javanese name.] the weasel-cat of Java and Malacca, belonging to the civet family.

dung-chafer = dung-beetle = dumbledore[!]

dunghillry - vile condition or practice [nonce-word]

Entscheidungsproblem - decision problem

mundungus - bad-smelling tobacco; also attrib.

▄berfremdung - the admission or presence of too many foreigners

Verfremdung - estrangement or alienation

(dang it... could have used a couple of those for hogdung«)

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#71538 - 05/27/02 01:59 PM Re: *dung* in the OED
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Andungulates, but that's a spacing error.


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#71539 - 05/27/02 06:02 PM Re: *dung* in the OED
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Dung Xiaoping


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#71540 - 05/27/02 06:40 PM Re: *dung* in the OED
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I went to a 'book club' meeting, and met Michael Pollan (who is in the aptnyms thread, he writes about nature)
in any case, he mentioned an article he just completed, for Gourmet magazine (of all places!) about a naturalistic farmer in Virginia Hi Dub Dub! He defined the farmer as having a series of interesting practices that let him raise organic (not certified, but organic all the same) foods.. as being a dung farmer..

by the way he manages his animals manure, he increases productivity, and decreases cost.. an example.. he has his pastures broken up into small fields.. and lets the cattle into a small field for a specific amount of time. then he move them to a new field.. three days later, he move his mobile hen house into the 3 day old cattle field.. by now, the cattle dung is full of magots.. and the chickens scratch and dig into it, spreading the dung, eating the magots, and the fresh grass tips (chickens can only eat freshly sprouted grass) so the chickens are 'free range' the manure, now dried, gets spread over a larger range, the fly and bug population is kept down by the chickens eating all the larva and grubs.. Free chicken feed, free manure spreaders, free insecticide! (all natural too boot!)

he has other examples.. but the point of the article is; manage the sh*t, and everything else manages fine!

the farmer has great success, the local environmental protection (state) agency loves him, because he never has 'run off', and so on an so on. Mr. Pollan kept call him the "dung farmer" (he played with sh*t..and backed off, and with manure, but since the farmer has chickens, cows, horses and pigs.. he went with dung.. since there was a multitude of it!

It won't be out til the fall. but lets watch for it! and we could do worse in life if we too, learned to manage the sh*t!

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#71541 - 05/27/02 06:55 PM Re: *dung* in the OED
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I have seen many,many sites about horrendous pollution from animal manure getting into rivers. And many sites about unpleasant surprises from its long persistence in soil in some places. I remember reading in TIME magazine a very long time ago about a beef farm in Central Valley, CA, that had a pile of manure so high it could be seen from many miles away. Nobody wanted it. And the dopey organic enthusiasts never bother to mention that manure is seriously deficient in phosphate but too high in nitrate. Plus being full of weed seeds.


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#71542 - 05/28/02 07:25 AM Re: *dung* in the OED
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animal manure getting into rivers.

It was big news in Canada two years ago when an outbreak of E. Coli in Walkerton, Ontario (caused by manure getting into the water supply, and the officials responsible for water testing failing to detect it), killed 7 people and made most of the town sick. The report on the inquiry has just come out in the past week or so. More information than you'll ever need is at http://cbc.ca/news/indepth/walkerton/


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#71543 - 05/28/02 11:07 AM Re: *dung* farming
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Oh, yes, the dung farmer has a solution for that..

What usualy happens is, come winter, the cattle and other animals are brought indoors to a barn, or shed, and the farmers muck out the stalls, spread the muck on frozen fields,(or pile the manure someplace, on frozen ground) and come the spring rains and melt off, the manure (too cold to have composted,) and still raw, flows into the water.. bad, bad..

the dung farmer doesn't muck out the stalls. he puts down a layers of straw.(every week or so) and about half way into the winter he layers corn seed in with the straw.. the stuff builds up (he has his cattle feeds bins adjustable, so he can make them higher..)

2 thing happen. 1, the layers build up, and anarobic bacterial action is taking place.. this generates heat and keeps the cattle warmer.. which means few of the calories are going to keep warm, and more are going to fatten up and grow the cows (saves money)
2, the corn, layered in the manure/straw gets heated and starts to malt.. (the starches turn to sugars, and sugars ferment.. )
end of winter (this is Virginia, so the coldest part of winter is about 60 to 80 days). he take out the cows. the muck is about 2.3 to 3 feet deep (almost a meter) and brings in the pigs.. they root, (looking for the corn that they can smell!) and turn the whole "compost" pile over! now you get arobic action. and in a week, the stuff is great fertilizer, and by now, the feilds are beginning to thaw, so the manure can be worked in, and not just sit on top of frozen ground, and be washed off with the next rain fall! and all the composting action has killed the weed seeds, and most (but not all) of the harmfull bacteria!and the rotting straw has elements besids the nitrogen that the manure is so rich in (it's still not perfect fertilizer, but it is more balanced than manure by itself..)

oh, and by the way, the pigs enjoyed all the corn..

so again, he get the animals to do some work (the pigs don't turn the piles of manure and straw over as work, but as their nature, they are hunting for foods, just as the chickens spread the manure in the summer because chickens naturally scratch at the ground for bugs and worms, and since the cow pie is so full of them, and so easy to scratch apart, that is were the chickens naturally spend the effort.

the farmer focus is Managing the sh*t, and by doing so, by seeing it as part of the cycle, (and not as waste) he better manages his farm. Obviously i only have a small amount of info, i need to wait and read the article to learn more details.. (after all, this was only

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#71544 - 05/28/02 11:09 AM Re: *dung* farming
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Oh, yes, the dung farmer has a solution for that..

What usualy happens is, come winter, the cattle and other animals are brought indoors to a barn, or shed, and the farmers muck out the stalls, spread the muck on frozen fields,(or pile the manure someplace, on frozen ground) and come the spring rains and melt off, the manure (too cold to have composted,) and still raw, flows into the water.. bad, bad..

the dung farmer doesn't muck out the stalls. he puts down a layers of straw.(every week or so) and about half way into the winter he layers corn seed in with the straw.. the stuff builds up (he has his cattle feeds bins adjustable, so he can make them higher..)

2 thing happen. 1, the layers build up, and anarobic bacterial action is taking place.. this generates heat and keeps the cattle warmer.. which means few of the calories are going to keep warm, and more are going to fatten up and grow the cows (saves money)
2, the corn, layered in the manure/straw gets heated and starts to malt.. (the starches turn to sugars, and sugars ferment.. )
end of winter (this is Virginia, so the coldest part of winter is about 60 to 80 days). he take out the cows. the muck is about 2.3 to 3 feet deep (almost a meter) and brings in the pigs.. they root, (looking for the corn that they can smell!) and turn the whole "compost" pile over! now you get arobic action. and in a week, the stuff is great fertilizer, and by now, the feilds are beginning to thaw, so the manure can be worked in, and not just sit on top of frozen ground, and be washed off with the next rain fall! and all the composting action has killed the weed seeds, and most (but not all) of the harmfull bacteria!and the rotting straw has elements besids the nitrogen that the manure is so rich in (it's still not perfect fertilizer, but it is more balanced than manure by itself..)

oh, and by the way, the pigs enjoyed all the corn..

so again, he get the animals to do some work (the pigs don't turn the piles of manure and straw over as work, but as their nature, they are hunting for foods, just as the chickens spread the manure in the summer because chickens naturally scratch at the ground for bugs and worms, and since the cow pie is so full of them, and so easy to scratch apart, that is were the chickens naturally spend the effort.

the farmer's focus is Managing the sh*t, and by doing so, by seeing it as part of the cycle, (and not as waste) he better manages his farm. Obviously i only have a small amount of info, i need to wait and read the article to learn more details.. (after all, this was only part of a discussion, the main discussion was on the book Botany of Desire, and this came up as sideline.. (about organic foods, and animal husbandry, vs, monoculture farming..

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#71545 - 05/28/02 12:46 PM Re: *dung* in the OED
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I have seen many,many sites about horrendous pollution from animal manure getting into rivers.

This is definitely a major problem, switching to word thread mode enough so that here at the EPA we have a program that focuses on run-off contamination from what we call CAFO's - Consolidated Animal Feeding Operations - absolutely enormous feed-lots that historically have had minimal environmental controls.


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#71546 - 05/29/02 01:16 PM Large feed lots
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But there's new technology coming on line to deal with it. See Bion Environmental Technology, for example, a former Denver company that is now based in NY, I think. Interesting technology and business plan. Farmers pay them to take away the effluent and then people buy the processed effluent as potting soil.

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