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#70979 - 05/22/02 10:00 PM prevalent in Boston
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Parnel: a priest's stress. pedophile pavor poenae.


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#70980 - 05/24/02 05:20 AM Re: prevalent in Boston
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pedophile pavor poenae

Translation, please. Got the pedophile part. What about the other two words? Otherwise my brain is only going to read it as "The pedophile is a paver of peonies."


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#70981 - 05/24/02 09:38 AM Re: prevalent in Boston
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Fake Latin for fear of punishment.


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#70982 - 05/24/02 02:52 PM Re: prevalent in Boston
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Fake Latin for fear of punishment.

Fake Latin? Now that needs an explanation too.


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#70983 - 05/24/02 04:22 PM Re: prevalent in Boston
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Dear Angel: Some Latin things I remember, some I can find on Internet. When all else fails, I can fake it. Then Faldage or CK make fun of me. Sock it to me, guys.


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#70984 - 05/24/02 09:17 PM Re: prevalent in Boston
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Angel, didn't you think it was latin? and if you picked up a foriegn newspaper, could you look at it, and say "oh this is Italian (or French, or Spanish, or German, or Dutch)? or any other of a half dozen languages, you might not speak, but sort of recognize?

in the early 80's when home computers were new, the was a regualar column in Scientific American on Programing.
On great article was the outline and rules for languages.. for example, LL is common in both english and spanish.. but there are only about 5 words in english that use LL as the first pair of letters in a word (llama, llano, Llanelly, Lloyds ) so a rule for English is LL is a good combo at the end of word, (will well, call hell, hall, tall, etc) but not good for first two letters.. and ST is a good starter, but Ts, is not. (no native words, but tsar, and tsunami, and tsetse, and a dozen or so others, from Japanese, Greek and Yiddish, and Chinese.)
Eau is found by its self in French, but in English its always part of word.. (beauty, ect.)
and while A, I, and rarely, O, can be words, we don't use E or U as word.. Or au, or other double vowels.. Our common short words are it, to, of, as, so, am, an, in, on, but not il, un, el, and so on.

other language rules are word size, and capitalization, and punctuation..
the article gave general directions for writing a program the would follow the "general rules" for any given language, and allow you to generate "fake french", "fake Italian" and several other commom languages. It was after 1982, (since i had a computer by then, and was reading computer articles)

You might not want to write a program, but just the bit about how it is that we human recognize a foriegn language was pretty interesting. (i still remember the gist of the article 25 years later!)

Dr bill knows enough latin, that he can generate fake latin with out a program... we all looked at, and thought it was latin, but as he points out, Faldage and Bob Young will know he is faking it..

when i first came here, babble fish a translater program was being played with.. you might enjoy finding some of the threads, or just googling babble fish, and playing with it.. generate some fake language of your own.. (or go to Engrish.com. and see how the japanese generate fake english all the time!

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#70985 - 05/25/02 09:54 AM Re: language
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Helen, that's fascinating. 25 years ago I was aware of computers but they weren't part of my life (we had to file our stories by Telex!). Anyway, interesting you should mention it. Scientific American has a new piece on language, reviving the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis (always dear to my heart, even after decades of misconstruing and PC-overreaction)

Here's the article. I'll be back later to comment on it.

http://www.sciam.com/explorations/2002/032502language/index.html



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#70986 - 05/25/02 11:53 AM PS
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Helen or Dr Bill, if either of y'all have a minute, wanna move this thread to "above the fold" where more people might see it?


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#70987 - 05/25/02 06:35 PM Re: language
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that is a great article AnnaS, I have watched my sister mental change gears when she talks japanese... and its been pointed out, Mayor LaGuadia not only spoke Italian, English and Yidish, he use different hand getures in the different languages... i suspect we do the same sort of thing even in different dialects of english.

i suspect the article i mentioned won't be available on line, it was from a column, not a full article.. back in those day, most of us worked in some from of basic, so a good outline for a program meant everyone could just code it in them selves.. (back then, every computer had a slightly different Basic..logo? was an other available language, and Lisp but only in big machines. Assembly was available for geeks.. (don't ask) ) I had my first computer in 1982, but didn't go on line til my son was in college. He had his first web page out in 1994 or so, and i was looking at it then. it was about then that things started moving so fast that i couldn't keep up with them..



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#70988 - 05/28/02 12:11 PM Re: language
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Assembly was available for geeks

You need it to get the chicken's head back on after the show.


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