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#69773 - 05/15/02 08:18 PM Re: "by heart"
Angel Offline

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Dr. Bill says: I blush at your reference to the "juicy parts".

And I blush just thinking about the "juicy parts".

#69774 - 05/15/02 11:39 PM Re: heart idioms
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I was searching for the origins of the phrase "by heart" and also "by rote" to see if and how the two related (same meaning. Note, though, that the Old English heorte is similar to rote. Didn't find entymologies for either, but turned up this interesting list of heart idioms on dictionary.com:


at heart
In one's deepest feelings; fundamentally.

by heart
Learned by rote; memorized word for word.

do (one's) heart good
To lift one's spirits; make one happy.

from the bottom/depths of (one's) heart
With the deepest appreciation; most sincerely.

have (one's) heart in (one's) mouth
To be extremely frightened or anxious.

have (one's) heart in the right place
To be well-intentioned.

heart and soul
Completely; entirely.

in (one's) heart of hearts
In the seat of one's truest feelings.

lose (one's) heart to
To fall in love with.

near/close to (one's) heart
Loved by or important to one.

steal (someone's) heart
To win one's affection or love.

take to heart
To take seriously and be affected or troubled by: Don't take my criticism to heart.

to (one's) heart's content
To one's entire satisfaction, without limitation.

wear (one's) heart on (one's) sleeve
To show one's feelings clearly and openly by one's behavior.

with all (one's) heart
With great willingness or pleasure.
With the deepest feeling or devotion.

with half a heart
In a half-hearted manner.

[Middle English hert, from Old English heorte. See kerd- in Indo-European Roots.]

#69775 - 05/16/02 06:57 AM Re: by rote
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Old English heorte is similar to rote. Didn't find entymologies

AHD gives rote possibly from Latin rota, wheel.

The sense is a memorizing process using routine or repetition without full comprehension.

#69776 - 05/16/02 09:55 AM Re: by rote
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Since learning by rote started when manuscripts were in scrolls, I thought there might be an etymological
association. But I could not confirm this.But in the search I found a new dictionary that was interesting, though apparently not yet completed. :http://www.hyperdictionary.com/searchbox.html

#69777 - 05/16/02 09:58 AM Re: "by heart"
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i learned multiplications tables by rote, but poetry by heart.

I love the multiplication tables, therefore I consider myself as knowing them by heart.

#69778 - 05/16/02 11:09 AM Re: my heart in my throat (mouth?)
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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The dictionary.com list cites this idiom as "have (one's) heart in (one's) mouth". I've always heard and said I had my heart in my throat. Has anyone here used the mouth version?

#69779 - 05/16/02 02:37 PM Re: "by heart"
AphonicRants Offline

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I love the multiplication tables

Does you husband know?

#69780 - 05/16/02 02:52 PM Re: "by heart"
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Multiplication tables? I love my four banger.

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#69782 - 05/16/02 06:16 PM Re: my heart in my throat (mouth?)
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I've never heard heart in my mouth--that would be a very tight squeeze, come to think of it. I don't think anybody's mouth is big enough to hold a heart. I mean, it's hard enough putting a whole chicken gizzard into your mouth or even an entire dinner roll--and definitely not a whole hamburger. So, nope--the heart would not fit into the mouth at all. But a little bitty chicken's heart would easily fit. Apologies, as usual, to the vegetarians.

Beating regards,

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