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Agreed, max. To provide an obvious counter-example, one need only select any pure-blooded maori.

By the way, I feel very uncomfortable using the term "pure-blooded", but cannot bring a better term to mind. Can anyone provide a more comfortable alternative that is specific, rather than a vague euphemism?


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From a map diagram in Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond, origin of humans in Africa: 7 million BC, migration to southern Eurasia: 1 million BC, Europe, 500,000 BC, Australia: 40,000 BC, New Guinea: 33,000 BC, northern Asia: 20,000 BC, northern North America: 12,000 BC, the rest of North America: 11,000 BC, South America: 10,000 BC, Greenland: 2000 BC, Polynesian islands: 1200 BC, Hawaii: AD 500, New Zealand: AD 1000.


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Australia: 40,000 BC,
New Guinea: 33,000 BC


What? Australia before New Guinea? How did man get to Australia, if not via New Guinea?

Looking at the map, "via New Guinea" seems the only likely route. It there any evidence of what portion of Australia was the first-inhabited?


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What? Australia before New Guinea? How did man get to Australia, if not via New Guinea?

Looking at the map, "via New Guinea" seems the only likely route. It there any evidence of what portion of Australia was the first-inhabited?


On reinspection of the little map, the arrow from southeast Asia goes through Borneo and then splits off to Australia and New Guinea. I suppose it could be saying that they were both populated by 40,000 BC. It says 33,000 next to a little arrow that goes from New Guinea into Polynesia and then 1200 next to an arrow going further.

The arrow to Oz goes about right through Darwin, but that's probably not exact. It's just a convenient place to put the arrow.


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Certainly I am related to but not descended from my sister as I am related to but not descended from my mother's sister.

If we limit the meaning of the phrase descended from to refer only to direct male lineage, then, of course, to say we are all descended from Charlemagne or Muhamed is ludicrous, but if we allow all branches of both matrilineal and partilineal descent then (except for the cases of, e.g., pure-blood Australian aborigines, if there are any) it seems to me almost self-evident.


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