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#68397 - 05/08/02 11:22 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
of troy Offline
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the problem is.. its often a come on.. you start a program, and in the fine print, (or even big print) acknowledge Home Depot.. and then next year (or three years down the line..) when you funding is running low.. where do you get the next million? and does the next million come with out strings?

its like dope-- first its just one joint, and then an ounce, and soon you are a regular..

sometimes the strings aren't too bad.. but they are still strings. Lila Atchison (of the Atchison Topeka SantaFe railroad-- married to DeWitt Wallace-- reader digest founder) gives a pot of money to the Met (Metropolitan Art Mus.) but a chunk of it must be spent on fresh flowers for the lobby.. and there are several big signs pointing out that the flowers are courtsy of a grant from the Atchison foundation... are fresh flower art? are the placques art? are they worth it? the Met says yes.. but...

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#68398 - 05/08/02 12:33 PM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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Are you saying that you would have no control over what you did with the money or that HD would have no control over it?

Oops. I meant to suggest that HD would not have any say in what you did with the money. Maybe just to say "brought to you by Home Depot" on your publications and stuff.

but if the latter what would be the problem?

Well, that's the crux of the debate. What about credibility? What about the mere knowledge that the company funding you is working contrary to your goals everyday? To make it a more black-and-white example, what if some multi-national fishing company wanted to give money to Greenpeace (and Greenpeace REALLY needed the money)? Does the money become tainted just because the donor might be using it to improve (or flat out be deceptive about) their corporate image? I sure don't know the answers to these questions, but.


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#68399 - 05/09/02 06:19 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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Registered: 01/12/01
Posts: 96
Loc: Ohio, USA
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading the Ad stuff in the schools and corporate sponsor posts. As a parent, school volunteer, school employee and tutor, these issues are a concern but---
And I have also read the book "Fast Food Nation". We are also a 4th year host family for exchange students.
All the answers to your questions and issues are in the new book "The Trouble With Perfect" by Elisabeth Guthrie, MD. I think it is a super handbook for new parents, parents of schol kids, (the gifted, the average, and the special needs etc), also a great resource book for teachers and school administrators.
I think that this book "hits the nail on the head", "gets right down to the root of the nation's prob with kids and schools" and does it without blaming anyone or offending anyone.
I challenge everyone on this forum to read it and then send in your posts.


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#68400 - 05/09/02 08:01 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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Reminds me of a saying of engineers: The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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#68401 - 05/09/02 08:32 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
jmh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
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The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Or "if a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly".


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#68402 - 05/09/02 08:53 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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Not at all.

The point of the other statement was that perfection is not to be had on this earth and you can waste a lot of effort striving for the unobtainable when their are very reasonable alternatives.

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#68403 - 05/09/02 09:01 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
jmh Offline
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And one interpretation of the other expression is that much of the time we put things off because we can only do them well. So it is best to have a go and do it badly than never try.

Artists talk a lot about the "right to fail" - sometimes it is only some time after you have produced something that you know if it has been a success or not. Every year, much to the recipient's surprise, award ceremonies such as the Oscars bring to our attention people who have become an "overnight success". I remember several older (and a few younger) actors who were amused by this label.


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#68404 - 05/09/02 09:26 AM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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That interpration never occurred to me. I always thought it
was intended as sarcasm. Now I know better.

I don't know a lot of artistic people; however, I think the
saying would benefit unartistic people, as well. Many put
off doing things because of their fear of certain failure.


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#68405 - 05/09/02 12:06 PM Re: Corporate Curriculum
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The perfect is the enemy of the good

Or, as Samuel Goldwynn is reputed to have said, "I don't want it perfect; I want it Tuesday!"


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#68406 - 05/16/02 10:15 AM Post deleted by SilkMuse
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