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Dear Nuncle Bill, I call a YART! and a recent one too - have a look at "Caution Regarding Speaking English" - you have posted there yo'sef. 
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You wuz, Bill.
You couldn't stand up and face the yartic onslaught, huh? - shame on you. But at least two of us caught you out :-).
I wouldn't worry too much though - our minds naturally sieve out things not worth remembering -just proved how trivial it was in the first place, right.
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I noticed it also; but then I'm too nice a guy to call a yart on dr. bill. -ron (and if you believe that...) obvious http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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And I noticed, but when I called YART a couple of days ago, I was chastised for calling it!
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... chastised for calling it!Where are they? Lemmee at'em...  
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I am just sufficiently masochistic to enjoy having provided a bit of merriment. Slightly senile citizen.
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> chastised for calling it!
You can't win round here, you little celestial, angelic nimbussed angel you. You get admonished for recycling any kind of thought (J. Joyce turning in grave emotivecon;-), and then if you pick someone up on a repetition, all hell breaks lose. You just can't win. Just don't take it to heart, now you hear?
Your chubby cherub,
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Nietzsche's Argument for the Eternal Return: If the world may be thought of as a certain definite quantity of force and as a certain definite number of centers of force -- and every other representation remains indefinite and therefore useless -- it follows that, in the great dice game of existence, it must pass through a calculable number of combinations. In infinite time, every possible combination would at some time or another be realized; more: it would be realized an infinite number of times. And since between every combination and its next recurrence all other possible combinations would have to take place, and each of these combinations conditions the entire sequence of combinations in the same series, a circular movement of absolutely identical series is thus demonstrated: the world as a circular movement that has already repeated itself infinitely often and plays its dice game in infinitum. [6]Nietzsche's Presentation of the Eternal Return -- In modern times, the doctrine is most closely associated with Friedrich Nietzsche. Here's how Nietzsche first puts it: The greatest weight -- What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence -- even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!
Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: "You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine." If this thought gained possession of you, it would change you as you are or perhaps crush you. The question in each and every thing, "Do you desire this once more and innumerable times more?" would lie upon your actions as the greatest weight. Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal? [3]In another book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche invents a character named Zarathustra, a wandering philosopher who has many adventures. In one adventure, Zarathustra climbs a mountain and argues with his arch-enemy, a dwarf named the Spirit of Gravity (sort of the spirit of depression and despair). Zarathustra has a vision of the eternal return: Behold this moment!, Zarathustra said. From this gateway [called] Moment, a long, eternal lane runs back: an eternity lies behind us.
Must not all things that can run have already run along this lane? Must not all things that can happen have already happened, been done, run past?
And if all things have been here before: what do you think of this moment, dwarf? Must not this gateway, too, have been here -- before?
And are not all things bound fast together in such way that this moment draws after it all future things? Therefore -- draws itself too?
For all things that can run must also run once again forward along this long lane.
And this slow spider that creeps along in the moonlight, and this moonlight itself, and I and you at this gateway whispering together, whispering of eternal things -- must we not all have been here before?
-- and must we not return and run down that other lane out before us, down that long, terrible lane -- must we not return eternally? [4]For the complete discussion here's the site url: http://www.wpunj.edu/cohss/philosophy/courses/livedead/RETURN.HTMSo you see? 'Tis all a Yart/Tray, or Tray/Yart anyway!
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Let the record show that I sent Angel a humble acknowledgement of my error, without any resentment of her having blown the whistle on me. I am pezzo de venti due,not important enough to warrant a more elaborate peccavi.
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Nice one Whitman!
>everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you
Yep, I know that feeling.
The only thing I ever tackled by Nietzsche so far was "Vom Nutzen und Nachteil der Historie' (concerning the use and disadvantages of history). I like the extracts you provided though. Funny, the concept he describes is not really new to me - I've conceived of it before. It's nice to find a similar trail of concepts expressed in his ultra-sound logic and strict language though, eh. Eternal return gives new meaningless to deja-vu - doesn't it?
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Glad you enjoyed it, by! I only regret that I never kept up with my German (I studied 3 years in high school, and then let it go...dummy me) so I could read Nietzsche, Jung, Goethe, Herman Hesse, and others, in the original language. Eveything, of course, but especially works like these with their keen spiritual and psycological insight, lose so much in translation.
I would heartily recommend, by, that you put Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Beyond Good and Evil on your must-read list. His "God is dead" quote is taken so out of context, and only half the quote, that it has been used as a banner by scientists and anti-secularists alike. The full quote, never intended to denigrate and dismiss spirituality IMHO (except perhaps in an organized religion sense) is: "God is dead; God died of his pity for man."
Here's the excerpt from Thus Spoke Zarathustra:
"And if a friend does you evil, then say: 'I forgive you what you did to me; but that you have done it to yourself -- how could I forgive that?' Thus speaks all great love: it overcomes even forgiveness and pity."
"Thus spoke the devil to me once more: 'God too has his hell: that is his love of man.' And most recently I heard him say this: 'God is dead; God died of his pity for man.'"
"All great love is even above all its pity: for it still wants to create the beloved."
Big difference than just those three "little" words, eh?
[Edit:] Here is another quote from TSZ where Nietzsche speaks of spirit, to show he is not dismissive of spiritual things:
"Spirit is the life that itself cuts into life; with its own agony it increases its own knowledge."
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Let the record show that I sent Angel a humble acknowledgement of my error...You did? When? Where?  ...without any resentment of her having blown the whistle on me. Awwwwww...thank you, Dr. Bill! I am pezzo de venti due,not important enough to warrant a more elaborate peccavi.Uhmmmmm.....English please for we monolinguists! TYVM. 
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My, my. how wordy are you and Nietzsche, Whit-o,
(are we spelling his name right?) but wasn't Zoroaster the top daddy of supermanism?
Don't get me wrong, Nietzsche is my hero. Anyone who has read the song of zarathustra will likely agree.
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In another book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche invents a character named Zarathustra, a wandering philosopher who has many adventures. In one adventure, Zarathustra climbs a mountain and argues with his arch-enemy, a dwarf named the Spirit of Gravity (sort of the spirit of depression and despair).
This is very similar to a story written for children (I'm sure he borrowed heavily from Nietsche) by Tony Robinson - the very versatile actor and writer who played Baldrick in the Blackadder series and who cut his teeth on Who Dares Wins back in the 80s.
It was turned into a brilliant series on Children's television and Tony monologued the entire story whilst walking through appropriate sets.
In one story the hero meets a dwarf on a cliff top who, with distinct gloom, declares 'One of us will soon meet our doom'. The hero ponders this for a mo, says 'fair enough' and kicks the dwarf off the cliff.
I know I was a bit old to be watching Kids' TV (I was 20 or so at the time) but Tony Robinson is too good to be missed.
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(are we spelling his name right?) but wasn't Zoroaster the top daddy of supermanism?
Milum, I've seen his name spelled several different ways, but this is the most prevalent and widely accepted (YCLUI). I'm familiar with Zoroaster and Zoroasterism, but haven't researched it to the extent I would have liked. I tend to disagree with the superman interpretation of übermensch, though, and believe that, like may philospohical and spiritual texts, it has been widely misinterpretated over the years. Here is a passage of such a discussion I pasted over from the O'Neill thread because of its pertinence here:
From notes on Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Tad Beckman:
"Nietzsche has also framed this concept in his image of the "übermensch," or "overman." In this vision, man is a temporary creature, a "crossing over." Just as an individual must overcome himself, man himself must be overcome. The overman is not man as we know him; it is a new being, perhaps, unthinkably beyond us and living with new values in the spirit of Yes-saying to life."
(übermensch, of course, has been misinterpreted as superman rather than overman by the Nazis and others to fortify their message and for propaganda purposes).
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This is very similar to a story written for children (I'm sure he borrowed heavily from Nietsche) by Tony Robinson - the very versatile actor and writer who played Baldrick in the Blackadder series and who cut his teeth on Who Dares Wins back in the 80s.Yes, Rubrick! It is interesting that Tony Robinson borrows this Nietzschean scenario for his sketch. I love Black Adder! Funny stuff! They used to run the show regularly on Public Televison here, but it has vanished for the last 10 years or so. The scene you describe reminds me of a similar bit in Black Adder's Christmas where Scrooge kicks the beggar boy off the ladder at his window while nobody's looking. Dark humor, no doubt...but very effective!
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Restraint... is... the... better... part... of... valor.
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Restraint... is... the... better... part... of... valor.Well, normally, Anna, I'd agree with you, but. For Dr. Bill I'm going to make an exception. C'mere, Dr. Bill: [kissing you all over your face e] (NOW let's see how much of anything you can remember!  )
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Dear Jackie: YARTS could become habit forming.
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Excuse me Bill, I just walked in. Was that you that yarted?
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Dear Milum: I YARTed most flagrantly and idiotically. My reasons for doing so would not look good in a post. I'll PM you. But it stirred up enough action I'm almost tempted to do it intentionally.
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I recall that we agreed that there is no such thing as an original thought. Accordingly, it follows that every single post ever made here is a YART, and subject to the punishment that Jackie inflicted therefor on dr. bill.
I hereby claim the right to so punish, and be punished by, Jackie!
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Dear WO'N: your post reminded me of how much I miss both Shanks and Seian.
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How is it that newbies call Yarts? Oldbies can call Yarts on each other, and kid each other about failing memory. But topics brought up again are good for new people. Not nice of y'all, angels or goddesses notwithstanding.
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8 days after the fact:
>> How is it that newbies call Yarts? Oldbies can call Yarts ... Not nice of y'all
Not nice of you, rather.
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Thank you, Keiva. Because, Anna Strophic, it was a VERY NEW YART! Otherwise, how would a newbie catch it, indeed? Anyway....You can call me journeyman now. But I still prefer modestgoddess. And I think Unca Bill still loves me in spite of my YART-calling.....So there.
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Dear mg: there was a old song about you can holler down my rainbarrel and slide down my cellar door, and we'll be jolly pals forever more.
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I remember that song! [hand-clapping-game-e] Now I think I'm in love with Uncle Bill, too (as well as Milum, who caused me to fall in love with him beyond all redemption with his phylum pome), and of course Keiva my hero. Are we chickie-babes allowed harems too? As a minor deity, I claim the right.
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Are we chickie-babes allowed harems too? Yeahbut®, ya gots ta share um!
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If yer gonna do Yarts they should be in jest if they're gonna be in this category , and certainly with appropriate link provided! Haven't you guise read the freaking manual? Dear Juan: your posts (all of the above) reminded me of how much I miss discussions without all this 'chat-ering'. 
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Are we chickie-babes allowed harems too?
Yeahbut®, ya gots ta share um!
Angel, if they share 'im, I would think it's the male's harem.
Note: speaking heterosexually, of course; but see the noted limerick:
Said the mythical King of Algiers,
To his harem assembled, "My dears,
Though you may think it odd o' me,
I'm tired of *-omy.
Tonight's for you ladies." [loud cheers]
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The following (new and original) on one of the dangers of imprudent sharing:
Dear Son, here's a critical tactic
Lest any encounter climactic
(No matter how cursory)
Lead to a nursery:
"Never Omit Prophylactic!"
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certainly with appropriate link provided!Replying to Musick with sticking-out-tongue : At least I said what the thread was CALLED! This whole thing has been an interesting experience for me. It seems there's something aggressive about calling a YART - which is totally the fabrication of the "oldbies" (as AnnaS calls them) on the board. When I called a YART on Nunca Bill, I never meant no disrespect. If youse guys is taking it that way, that is YOUR PROBLEM. If I ever call a YART on someone in the future, it will not be with disrespect, either. If I'm calling it, I mean it as a gentle pointing-out. Anyone who takes it any other way is putting a construction on it for which I never provided no foundation, no siree.
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Here I sit All broken-hearted, Thought I had new shit But only YARTed.
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