|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Carpal Tunnel
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605 |
Or as somebody famous must have said, "One cannot logically argue someone out of a position that they were not logically argued into in the first place."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858 |
Dear Maxq: " if someone sincerely believes that something
is bunk, and presents evidence (factually valid or otherwise) in support of that belief, that
person can claim to have debunked it, regardless of whether that sincerely held belief is
factually correct or not."
Dear Maxq: no matter how deeply "someone" believes something is "bunk" that does not make it "bunk"
And as plutarch said (I thinK) you can never "debunk" what is not "bunk".
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858 |
Dear Max: I like things simple. No matter what contorsions A goes through, no matter how convinced he may be that he has reasons to disbelieve the moon landings, the rest of us know he is full of excrementl He cannot debunk what we know is not bunk.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858 |
since I am convinced that they do not actually believe their own lies.
Dear Max: Many of these idiots believe their erroneous statements enough to die for them.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605 |
In other words, you are drawing the distinction between the gentleman whose word accurately describes his view of the world and his actions (regardless of whether that view is correct), and the gentleman who accurately describes the world and his actions.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542 |
here's a slightly more tangible example from the field of anthropology: Johanson discovers "Lucy" and debunks the Leakey's view of the evolutionary tree; subsequently the Leakeys debunk Johanson's methods -- wherein lies the bunk? creationists and evolutionists are constantly striving to debunk each other's claims; the fact of the matter is that there is not enough evidence one way or the other to unbunk the dialectic. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
|
|
|
|
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,326
Members9,182
| |
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
|
|
|
0 members (),
630
guests, and
3
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
