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And what about 55? There's got to be significance in 55. Your hands, side by side...or anywhere else! You've got "5" and "5"....

Or your feet... Five by five again.

There are three hisses when you say "fifty-five," however, and that's probably not a good sign...

Oh, forget it,
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Question: How did 666 become the devil's number?

[I know, ICLIU. But perhaps others can provide more information.]


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My gawd, guys, we're discovering all the mysteries of the universe right here.

http://www.skepdic.com/lawofnumbers.html
http://www.skepdic.com/numology.html


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From WO'N's site:
According to The Book of the Balance by Gâbir ibn Hayyân, an alchemist and a soufi, the shape (sura) of every thing in the world is 17; 17 is the very basis of the theory of the Balance and must be regarded as the canon of the equilibrium of every thing.
Well, now I know why, in my mind, I will always be 17.

Also from the same site:
From the ancient times, the Chi'ist mystics had venerated the number 17; this veneration has its origins in the ancient Pythagorean speculations lying on the letters in the Greek alphabet... 17 represented the number of those who would rise from the dead and each one of those people was to receive one of the 17 letters of the alphabet, making up the highest name of God, which is certainly related to the blade of the Star, arcanum 17 in the Tarot game whose symbolism evokes mutation, rebirth, and which Dr Allendy considers to be Karmic Liberation.

And lastly:
To the ancient Greeks, 17 represents the number of consonants in the alphabet, with 9 silent consonants and 8 semi-vowels or semi-consonants. These numbers were also tightly linked with musical theory and the harmony of the spheres.





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I fully expected to die when I turned 42.
How did it feel to turn 43, Wordwind?


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from the 17 site Also found this particularly intriguing:

In Au bonheur des mots, by Claude Gagničre, ed. Robert Laffont, p 206:

The Italians fear the 17's, because 17 is written XVII in Roman numerals, which is the anagram of VIXI, which means "I lived", i.e. "I am dead". In Italy, buildings do not have a 17th floor, hotels do not have a room 17, and Alitalia planes do not have a seat 17 [neither do Air Inter planes and British Airways Concordes]. When Renault marketed its R17 and wanted to export it to Italy, it had to be renamed "Renault 177". Napoleon Bonaparte, who was more Italian than French in his education, refused to give the signal for his coup on "vendredi 17 brumaire" and postponed it until the following day.


Is that so, emanuela? Are you out there?

So, Connie, maybe you'll wanna change that to forever 16...or 18!




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Mebee that's what I want on my tombstone.


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Got this on email, post-post-Sept. 11 weirdnesses....An interesting addition to the discussion of the significance (or lack thereof) of certain numbers:

If you read the email going around about the number "11" for the past few weeks, you will love David's response to it. I don't know who Dave is, but his response is appropriate. Make sure you read beyond the 'Original Letter'!

Original Letter:
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.
Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.
I Have More.......
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
New York City - 11 Letters.
Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
The Pentagon - 11 Letters.
Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack at the WTC in 1993).
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.

Dave's response:
Oh my God!
How worried should I be?
There are 11 letters in the name "David Pawson!"
I'm going into hiding NOW.
See you in a few weeks.
Wait a sec ... just realized "YOU CAN'T HIDE" also has 11 letters!
What am I gonna do?
Help me!!!
The terrorists are after me!
ME!
I can't believe it!
Oh crap, there must be someplace on the planet Earth I could hide!
But no ..."PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too!
Maybe Nostradamus can help me.
But dare I trust him?
There are 11 letters in "NOSTRADAMUS."
I know, the Red Cross can help.
No they can't... 11 letters in "THE RED CROSS," can't trust them.
I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too!
Can someone help?
Anyone?
If so, send me email.
No, don't... "SEND ME EMAIL" has 11 letters....
Will this never end?
I'm going insane!
"GOING INSANE???"
Eleven letters!!
Nooooooooooo!!!!!!
I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE" has 11
letters.....

Oh my God, I just realized that America is doomed!
Our Independence Day is July 4th ... 7/4 ... 7+4=11!
~ Dave
PS. "IT'S BULLSHIT" has 11 letters also.


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Question: How did 666 become the devil's number?

Easy. It is written...

Revelations 13:11 " And I beheld another beast coming up out of earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake like a dragon"

Several verses later...

And here is wisdom. Let him that have understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man
and his number is six hundred threescore and six.


Given this edict by the Book of Revelations you can understand why Christians would like to tie this number (666) to -the man, -the beast, -the Antichrist, -the False Messiah.




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"Pi" "A Requiem for a Dream"

I feel like I am in a twilite zone episode BY. I just saw A Requiem on Friday and Pi late this afternoon when I got home.

I agree they are both really good films but you are definitely right, not for the faint-hearted. I am still troubled by the young woman’s descent and degradation.


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